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[size=18][b]Xeno Sourcebook[/b][/size] ([b][i]Xenology[/i][/b], but with Stats!) This would include how to use the current careers with Xeno-Races, and add a few new ones appropriate for each race. A few minor races Hrud, Squiddies, a few new ones for shock value. Then you could produce [size=18][b]Xeno-Tech[/b][/size] - Toys for Aliens of all kinds/Loot for PCs.

Some Xenos are too iconic to just be a few pages in a book, they'd need books of their own. These books needn't be so huge, but one for each race is not only handy, but generates more profit for FFG.

[size=18][b]The Great Devourer[/b][/size] - Tyranids

[b][size=18]Waaagh! The Orks![/size][/b] (I know...)

and so forth for the Table Top races...

[size=18][b]Adeptus Astartes[/b][/size] - I suppose [i]somebody[/i] out there wants to play space marines... You should pay ThePatriot a hefty sum, get the illustrator from [i][b]Purge[/b][/i] on the job and print 5000 hardbacks... That sourcebook is amazing and needs to be codified right now. That might lead to an adventure anthology called... [size=18][b]Kill Team[/b][/size] - Space Marine Small Unit Tactics scenarios.

[size=18][b]Vehicles of Dark Heresy[/b][/size] - Expanded Vehicle Rules, Construction of same, and dozens of examples (I should write this myself and submit it.)

[size=18][b]Battlefleet Calixis[/b][/size] - Despite the name, this would include space action of all sorts, from small PC-crewed ships to the great Cruisers and such. Even though it takes hundreds to crew a ship, how are PCs affected by battles, and how can they affect the outcome of the battle?

I haven't seen [b][i]Disciples of the Dark Gods [/i][/b]yet, but would a book of [size=18][b]Alien Creatures [/b][/size]be out of consideration? DotDG might make this suggestion superfluous.

[size=18][b]Cults and Cabals[/b][/size] - Again DotDG may kick this away, but a book of cults might be fun.

[size=18][b]Splatbooks[/b][/size] on each Career path would be a good idea

[b][size=18]Sector Books [/size][/b]covering other areas of the Galaxy, perhaps one created from player submissions in a similar vein as the Calixis sector web material.

[size=18][b]Citizens of the Imperium[/b][/size] - Playing Dark Heresy outside of the Inquisition, but still as normal humans. Pirate Crews, Hive Gangs, Free Traders, Rogue Traders

I'm sure I can think of more, if I'm given time. ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180180.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180180.page GMT ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180348.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180348.page GMT [/quote]


Corrected, sir... ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180364.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180364.page GMT I for one would prefer "a littlebit of everything" in a few books, rather than having to wait 3 years until there's actually one being released that is interesting me.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180551.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180551.page GMT
Don't hate me cuz I like Eldar! ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180770.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180770.page GMT
Have and still am enjoying Dark Heresy and the Handbook immensly ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180771.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180771.page GMT
It seem to me their is enough floating around about existing Xenos and Space marines and such like for player to do there own thing already (as they have) -although some offical rule would be nice.
But most expecially i would like to see further matterial on the way Claxis system is put together and the lesser seen imperial factions work and interact - such as cults, minor adepta, ect.
I personally believe that super-human assault troops ought to be left on the table top and only brought out in DH itself on special occations and so i am less keen to see devolpements here- but i already know a great deal of other people disagree strongly on that particular point.

edit: just fixing painful typos -the shame... the shame ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180802.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180802.page GMT
But then I have been a fan of Dragonmech for a while now... I have actually been twisting a few of the ideas from it into my DH rules it fits rather well actually.

Playable alien races would be great but wouldn't like to see a codex approach to it. something a little bit like the way the IA books are done might work; present a scenario/sector or something and then detail the forces involved. Which would mean there are a nice balance of different races/factions and stuff.

Does anyone know if this Ross bloke actually looks at/takes part in the forums? Most devs seem to be so far up their arses and rather removed from the fans. I hope this guy is different.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180949.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/180949.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181074.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181074.page GMT [/quote]

That's a bit harsh. You aren't a paragon of virtue either.

I like the list already produced. There isn't much else I'd add. The Disciples of the Dark Gods is an interesting book, but not something I personally am that interested in. A couple of xenos source books would be fun. Perhaps an Imperial book looking at the Adeptus of all divisions and how they interact would be something worth seeing.


Hellebore]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181263.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181263.page GMT
So I would love a big fat book all about the Calixis sector and various poeple and groups within it.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181278.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181278.page GMT [/quote]

Pardon my ignorance, but why are the Dark Reign admins the prime example of hypocrisy?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181324.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181324.page GMT [/quote]

Pardon my ignorance, but why are the Dark Reign admins the prime example of hypocrisy?[/quote]

The policy they had, until one of their admins got caught up in the hurling of insults and violation of the rules, was to punish both parties equally. Funny how none of their admins that personally insulted me on their forum or on other forums were never banned under this policy while I was. I didn't even insult the admin in question and got banned. Hence the reason for their hypocrisy and my statement regarding it.

[quote=Hellebore]That's a bit harsh. You aren't a paragon of virtue either.

I like the list already produced. There isn't much else I'd add. The Disciples of the Dark Gods is an interesting book, but not something I personally am that interested in. A couple of xenos source books would be fun. Perhaps an Imperial book looking at the Adeptus of all divisions and how they interact would be something worth seeing.


Hellebore[/quote]

I never claimed to be anything other then what I am. I do not have two sets of rules like mordheim does when it comes to people who actually contributed to the site and the admins. It's perfectly fine for admins to violate the forum rules while it's not fine for anyone else. I'm not going to name names, but there were several admins on DR that violated the rules in regards to me and got a slap on the back instead of a ban as mandated by the rules. ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181401.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181401.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181412.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181412.page GMT
I guess it is a coincidence that both this forum and the Dark Reign forum is more peaceful when you're gone.

How is your website going?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181520.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181520.page GMT
For the record, the above statement is erroneous. The Adeptus Astartes supplement was developed on Dark Reign, with the input of DR members, is hosted on DR's server space, and uses DR's bandwidth. It was also on DR that members made suggestions on how to fix mistakes in the supplement.

I don't post the above statement out of spite. All the contributors on DR had much fun working on the supplement. But it was a Dark Reign production with the help of DR members.

Also, members on Dark Reign are working on a Xenos supplement, a Rogue Trader supplement and thinking of a Battlefleet Calixis supplement (together with members from the Anargo Project). It is summer, so most of the supplements are on a hiatus, but we welcome everybody who wants to contribute or just brainstorm with us.

We really are a nice bunch of people ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181570.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181570.page GMT
[size=18][b]Realms of the Imperium[/b][/size] describing status in the Imperium, power and responsibility, holdings, governing lands, interacting with the Administratum, perhaps even staging warfare - similar to the Renegade Crowns supplement for WHFRP, or to good old Pendragon RPG.

Don't think it'll ever get done and it wouldn't really suit an inquisitor's retinue, but I'd love to have a book like this for other types of characters, such as nobles, career military, governors or regular (up-and-coming) citizens.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181598.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181598.page GMT ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181610.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181610.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181618.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181618.page GMT
Also, while I think that the acolytes in DH are probably a better template for an actual Inquisitors background and history I dont think there is anything that would cover a Commisar, certainly official...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181635.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181635.page GMT
[size=18][b]Realms of the Imperium[/b][/size] describing status in the Imperium, power and responsibility, holdings, governing lands, interacting with the Administratum, perhaps even staging warfare - similar to the Renegade Crowns supplement for WHFRP, or to good old Pendragon RPG.

Don't think it'll ever get done and it wouldn't really suit an inquisitor's retinue, but I'd love to have a book like this for other types of characters, such as nobles, career military, governors or regular (up-and-coming) citizens.[/quote]

This would rock. As the book progresses, it scales smaller and smaller.

Chapter 1 Sectors
Chapter 2 Intersteller Objects (Stars, brown dwarfs, ancient Slaan ring-worlds, etc)
Chapter 2 Worlds (all classes with expanded character origin options)
Chapter 3 Cities (from Hives to settlements)
Chapter 4 Citizens and creatures.
Chapter 5 Administratum Concerns
Chapter 6 Trade and commerce
Chapter 7 Defense

The order might need tweaking, but I could see all of this as very cool content.

Great Idea! ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181829.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181829.page GMT I'm not that interested in the Space Marines, I think they take the horror out dark heresy...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181858.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181858.page GMT
Scintilla especially would be worth a supplement all of its own surely?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181869.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181869.page GMT
I guess it is a coincidence that both this forum and the Dark Reign forum is more peaceful when you're gone.

How is your website going?[/quote]

How's being a hypocrite going mordheim? I guess your rules only apply to anyone you dislike. As for it being more peaceful, that depends since it was your select group of friends that was the ones breaking your rules by hurling insults at me when discussing books that were being worked on. The only thing I would do was present an idea to the community over on DR then be insulted by your admins when they refused to listen to what I had to say. If I'm writing a book it is my ideas that take precedence not whatever the majority deems to be what they want. I'm the author and I will take suggestions, but in the end it is whatever I write that is what gets put into the book. Also, a good debate helps in fleshing out the ideas that are in the book. That was something you just can't get a grasp on.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181922.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181922.page GMT
For the record, the above statement is erroneous. The Adeptus Astartes supplement was developed on Dark Reign, with the input of DR members, is hosted on DR's server space, and uses DR's bandwidth. It was also on DR that members made suggestions on how to fix mistakes in the supplement.

I don't post the above statement out of spite. All the contributors on DR had much fun working on the supplement. But it was a Dark Reign production with the help of DR members.

Also, members on Dark Reign are working on a Xenos supplement, a Rogue Trader supplement and thinking of a Battlefleet Calixis supplement (together with members from the Anargo Project). It is summer, so most of the supplements are on a hiatus, but we welcome everybody who wants to contribute or just brainstorm with us.

We really are a nice bunch of people [/quote]

Actually the statement is right on target. The supplement was developed on BI originally and most of the development of the book occurred there. By the time they closed most of the development of the book was done behind closed doors. As for it being members of DR that worked on the book, DB I brought to DR from BI. The rest of the people I met on FFG's website and worked with them. People on FFG's website have suggested changes which were implemented. There isn't such a thing as a contributer anymore on DR. The role you play is one of publisher since that is what you wanted. You're free to host the books I've written, but they are not DR exclusive which is what my statement entailed. Enjoy the free ride you've gotten off of the people who worked to make DR what it is while you crap all over them. I've seen your duplicity and your lack of responsibility for the actions you've made that were in violation of your own rules. I'm still waiting for that public apology from you and millandson for trashing me publicly on the DR yahoo group, but as I stated you lack the manhood to do it. You're the first one to preen yourself on the accomplishments of others while being the last one to admit you've made a mistake.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181936.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/181936.page GMT
*Sigh*

Serious ally, life is unfair. It always has been, always will be. You just have to get used to it. On the one hand, you can do what you have been doing, coming off (IMO) like a child. On the other, you can raise your head above it, and be the better person, laugh off insults, turn the other cheek, keep your own behaviour in check, and that’s all that matters.

That’s all I'm going to say in a thread for this subject (for some reason this doesn't seem right to me... may rephrase it later if I can be bothered [so no. ]) so PM me or get my msn.



To the topic!

Adeptus Astartes: Personally, I find playing a god takes quite a bit of fun out of things, but some people may like them, and, with a bit of work, I suppose that there could be a few games that work really well for them. But overall, it’s just not my kettle of fish

Cults and Cabals: From what I've heard (precious little) there is that sort of thing in DotDG, so just wait for that, as difficult as it can be

Alien Creatures: GM kit, there is a xenos generator, although a sourcebook would be quite nice, not sure how useful I would find it, but others may.

Ok, that’s all I can be bothered to look over and think about... Now to spell check this thing!
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Meh, sorry anyway... Official rules for Astartes would be useful although its not too difficult to extrapolate from IH roughly what kind of stats their gear would have and there is the supplement that you can get over on dark reighn (although i dont reckon that power armour should ever go above ap9 myself, looking at the way the armour values seem to be scaled at least.) So I think Xeno rules would be better at the moment.

As much as I would like to see official rules for the big name xenos I'd actually be more interested in the lesser known (or completely new would be nice too) races. I just feel it suits the tone of DH better. Not only that but DH is a brilliant oppurtunity to put things into the game that you just cant have on the tabletop for various reasons and so I think it would be a waste to focus so heavily on eldar or tyranids or something.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182125.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182125.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182139.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182139.page GMT
Well there was (is?) supposed to be a sourcebook dealing with the Deathwatch (which would presumably also focus on xeno inquisitors) and there main base is way over on the eastern fringe so you might eventually get what you want.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182155.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182155.page GMT
I do, however, very much enjoy the supplement you helped create, so, thank you for that.

I would really like to see a book about PLACES in the Calixis sector. I'd love to see Scintilla and Gunmetal City fleshed out. Also, what about Dusk and Volg? Those are some pretty interesting sounding places for which there are only a few paragraphs of information.

Not really interested in Xeno supplements. Maybe some kind of ENEMIES OF THE IMPERIUM supplement detailing their stats as monsters and enemies. But personally I don't think playing as Xenos is within the scope of the game. It sounds like Disciples of the Dark Gods will cover a lot of ground with enemies, though.

An Astartes supplement would be great. I think players would love to play as either a small Deathwatch Killteam or as Grey Knights.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182179.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182179.page GMT
I do, however, very much enjoy the supplement you helped create, so, thank you for that.

I would really like to see a book about PLACES in the Calixis sector. I'd love to see Scintilla and Gunmetal City fleshed out. Also, what about Dusk and Volg? Those are some pretty interesting sounding places for which there are only a few paragraphs of information.

Not really interested in Xeno supplements. Maybe some kind of ENEMIES OF THE IMPERIUM supplement detailing their stats as monsters and enemies. But personally I don't think playing as Xenos is within the scope of the game. It sounds like Disciples of the Dark Gods will cover a lot of ground with enemies, though.

An Astartes supplement would be great. I think players would love to play as either a small Deathwatch Killteam or as Grey Knights.[/quote]

I'm rather sorry that I asked the question now, but I really was unaware of what the issue was. Still, after seeing the messages shared here and elsewhere I think I understand the issue well enough now...

Anyway, as for future products one thing in general I'd like to see kept up is the split between crunch and fluff. I like how things have been so far; there are fairly detailed backgrounds, explanations and entire pages dedicated to RPing all inclusive in the same book full of rules. I like it and enjoy it a lot and it's a happy change of pace from the D&D stuff I'd gotten used to in recent years. I.E., here have some rules, and more rules, and some extra rules, many of these rules also have glaring defects, enjoy. Rules are all well and good, but when I'm buying a setting specific book I want to see equal dedication to the setting's fluff as well as the setting's rules. Just my 2 coppers/demi-thrones on that.

As for future book content, I'm not big on playing (or honestly GMing) Astartes, though some more rules on them would be nice. In a player environment however they seem too limiting and also high-powered, which is not the feel of DH in general. Give me normal people doing extraordinary things any day as compared to extraordinary people doing extraordinary things which are by proxy normal to them. It makes it all less special. Stuff like that falls more into the D&D standard fair, let's be nigh-invincible super heroes of the appropriate genre. Which is fun, but not for me or this setting IMHO. Though I certainly can see people who think otherwise. Still a Space Marine one off might have merit, and if they ever do an Astartes supplement I'll certainly judge it on its content, and hell I may even like it a lot.

What I would like to see is the addition of additional background origin and class options that fit in with the 40K trope. Definitely more Xenos, popular ones (Tau, Eldar and Orks specifically) and new & obscure ones as well. Maybe even some rudimentary playable info for each, especially the Tau as I see them as the most playable Xenos. I really would like more equipment info, but not weapons, especially if they're not balanced well as there are a few glaring examples of far superior weapons in the IH. Nothing new should obsolete old stuff, power creep is the bane that makes me stop buying books because I can screw my game up perfectly well without paying someone else to do it. But yeah, more Imperium and Xenos items/vehicles/equipment, with no emphasis on new weapons and armor, what we have now is good enough, though I'd certainly appreciate some more detailed Xenos weapons and armor.

Last I can think of at the moment is more published adventures. As someone who has hated published adventures a lot in the past, I like these and their stories and I'd certainly be interested in running more well made adventure paths.

That's it for now and hopefully I brought things somewhat back on track ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182412.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182412.page GMT

To answer the question I for one do not really want to turn DH into the equivalent of the tabletop with factions and the like. The game I feel can either be focused and work within the constraints of what we have now or become just a basic set of rules. The problem with a very open system is the sales of a certain book will only appeal to a certain faction. Now in WH40K that is fine but for a RPG to work they must get very good sales of each book.

My preferred option would be a foes book which has something about the races which if people want to could be expanded by house rules into say a elder campaign rather than Handbook Elder. After all that was a pain in D&D and in that a mixed group was expected unlike DH where a mixed group would be at best problematic.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182443.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182443.page GMT
They're not Acolytes. Novice Inquisitors and Cadet-Commisars are essentially rank 1 characters with actual room to grow in the field.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182509.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182509.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182543.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182543.page GMT
Oh so it's my responsibility that DR admins insulted me and violated their rules. Yep you got me on that one since I held a gun to their head and made them break their rules then ignore their own policy regarding disruptive people. Yup that's all me. The only person I'm responsible for is myself and my own actions. I do not insult people nor do I violate rules. I also don't have a double standard nor do I profit off of someone else's work then crap all over them. I believe you're confusing me for mordheim and the not so fine admins over on DR. I'm the messenger regarding their practices which I was party to on the receiving end of it.

[quote=Xenocidal Maniac]I do, however, very much enjoy the supplement you helped create, so, thank you for that.[/quote]

Glad you enjoyed the supplement that was started by me and helped by a great team of talented individuals.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182722.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182722.page GMT
[size=18][b]Ordo Xenos, Ordo Hereticus, Ordo Malleus[/b][/size]

Each book should include guides on how to run an Inquisitorial game based on each of the Ordo's as well as a bestiary on the threats faced by the individual groups (Various aliens in the Xenos books, a selection of Demonic entities in the Malleus) specialty equipment unique to each division. Maybe also include a sample adventure and a couple of complete Campaign ideas for GM's to flesh out with their own material. (Such as a Tyrant Star Campaign for the Hereticus book) and other such information.

- Raith]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182747.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182747.page GMT
But I am biased. Of course I'd also hope for a section dealing with the Adepta Sororitas here - maybe including a few more hints regarding their mysterious secret alliance with the Ordo Hereticus, whose semi-inofficial chamber militant they are forming.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182767.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182767.page GMT I can definitely see the desire for that, even if I personally really dislike that particular example of BL... literature. I guess I would counter that by wanting specific supplements for each of the major races, ones that also looked into the cultures as well as the Career Paths that might be crafted them. Thus more books, perhaps shorter, rather than one [i]uber[/i] [i]Xenology[/i]-esque approach. (Even though shorter, it could still be more in depth, which probably says much about the state of the 'fluff' on the alien races. )

Oh, as I read on I see that you also went for the supplement-based approach to at least some of the alien races. Kewl.

[quote=Jephkay][b]Adeptus Astartes[/b] [/quote]
Even though I can see the pros and cons of having these as NPCs, I would definitely love to see a new approach to these. Few of the online versions seem to cut the mustard, at least for me, but I really don't want to go down that particular route of... discussion, other than to say that the fan versions definitely show that an official product would have to pull out a few more stops... But 'nuff said.

[quote=Jephkay][b]Battlefleet Calixis[/b] [/quote]
As a terrible gear-head, or at least gear-head wannabee, I would much rather see some example ships, blue-prints, art of rooms, etc. This, however, would tend to put it in the realm of [i]Black Library[/i], but - hell! - we can hope!

[quote=Jephkay][b]Citizens of the Imperium[/b][/quote]
Definitely something that would be interesting to see.

As to other settings - in terms of both alternate historical/future settings (ala the [i]Traveller[/i] milieu perhaps?) and different sectors? - that is also something that I would definitely like to see.

Hmmn... What else? Perhaps a few more guidelines to crossovers between the various genre, rather than pretty much keeping things to the Cthulu/dark medieval fantasy approach. Perhaps more adventure seed aspected but... Ah well, just a random, half-formed thought.

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[size=18][b]Ordo Xenos, Ordo Hereticus, Ordo Malleus[/b][/size]

Each book should include guides on how to run an Inquisitorial game based on each of the Ordo's as well as a bestiary on the threats faced by the individual groups (Various aliens in the Xenos books, a selection of Demonic entities in the Malleus) specialty equipment unique to each division. Maybe also include a sample adventure and a couple of complete Campaign ideas for GM's to flesh out with their own material. (Such as a Tyrant Star Campaign for the Hereticus book) and other such information.

- Raith[/quote]

I really like that idea, and it works from a marketing standpoint as well. Definitely consider it seconded.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182785.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182785.page GMT

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From Eisenhorn: Heldane (iirc) and the brownnoser that followed Eisenhorn were both Inquisitors and came off as extremely naive for characters that started as experienced acolytes. Then there's Ravenor's circumstances as well who really did not have a past prior to being a Novice Inquisitor.

It's true that some characters become Interrogators then jump to Inquisitor, but I think Abnett pushed novices without the experience. Of course that's the fiction and that does tend to be different than the gamer stuff.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182822.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182822.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182945.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182945.page GMT
possible vol. 2/ New Unique World of (not only) Calixis Sector AND Backround Packages:

From the postvoider savages of Faldon Kise, ritualistic murderers of Fervious and inhabitans of Misceroid to the untrustworthy Malfians, (even on Schola Progenium standards) harshly educated Progena on Macabeus Quintus or specificaly mind-cleansed, geneticaly recreated and worse, servants of Inquisition, there are plently of origins which should be covered with their own rules. Expanded backround "starters" for all careers (inclouding Soritas) are also warmly welcomed (they become very popular amongst my gaming group and I also love them, becouse they give lot of character and roleplay opportunities even to the "flat" PC )

possible vol.3/Alternative Career Ranks AND Elite Advances

Yeap, pages with alternative ranks convince me to start gaming in Calixis Sector and every player (or inspiration finding GM) is happy to have new opportunities in advance... No idea on calixis-specified ranks yet, but I´d like to see many "general 40k" stereotypes: Sister Repentia, Inquisiton Stormtrooper, Inquisiton Ward, Astropath, Cultist (yes as rank!), Skiitari-Provost (if you look into the IH, you see that there are no FW arbites..), Crusader and many many others. Oh and Elite Advances.. I realy want to use Obliterator Virus...

DoDG bring us many new opportunities to expand in Apocrypha, investigation and also crafting are other adepts for expansion and there are so many possibilities which I don´t remeber now, so FFG be so kind and bring Dark Heresy Apocrypha to life]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182964.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/182964.page GMT
something with loads of info on the church and the adeptus in general.

and guns lots of shiny big guns please + WMDs]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183053.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183053.page GMT

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In WH40K specialist supplements work because it is all about buying minis, DH does not have that so each supplement must make money on its own back and the only way for that to happen is with general stuff.

We the fans can create all the specialist stuff we want (and to a very high quality if previous work is anything to go by) but FFG must keep it general and useful or the line will die. Specialist does not sell in the numbers required for a commercial product. It could work if DH allowed happy joint groups but as we know the 40K universe is not like that.

The Ordos book is a good idea but it needs to be one book so everyone buys it not just the ordos you are playing. Oh and a RPG of the wargame really would not work as it would be far to limited and specalist also fairley pointless as we have the wargame.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183096.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183096.page GMT
I know that when it comes to purchasing RP books, I'll tend to go for the smaller, focused ones since it decreases the chance that I'm going to be hugely disappointed with the product. (I was one of the ones that would have loved a "complete" set of rules for 40k RPG with more "thematic" products that spall off of it, so take all with a pinch of preferential salt.)

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I'm buying all of it anyway, so what do I care?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183274.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183274.page GMT
I know that when it comes to purchasing RP books, I'll tend to go for the smaller, focused ones since it decreases the chance that I'm going to be hugely disappointed with the product. (I was one of the ones that would have loved a "complete" set of rules for 40k RPG with more "thematic" products that spall off of it, so take all with a pinch of preferential salt.)

[b]Kage[/b][/quote]

While better for the players it is not for the line, OK take a 100 fan boys 40 love Space Marines, 40 love the imperial guard, 20 love both.

2 options for publishing

a) 2 books at 25 each detailing individual. the both and the fan group buy the book 60x25 x 2books= 3000.

b) one book for 50 (20% do not buy as too expensive) 80x50 = 4000.

Simplistic I know but is fairly consistant how RPG sales go, specialist stuff is less cost effective. Some like a Space Marine supplement may work due to a uneven fan base but this just makes the other specialist books less viable.

Now I would love a individual specialist book on each and like Jephkay would buy them all but for the game it is not as viable and is why I think the fan stuff is so important.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183422.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183422.page GMT
Rather, I'd like to see themed books (several forumites have mentioned this) dedicated to particular sub-sectors, planets, or flashpoints. I could see the setting producing 4 or 5 such books.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183488.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/183488.page GMT I would rather pay some money for a book that detailed a specific part of the universe, than pay a lot of money for a generalised book that only shallowly processed so many hazy concepts. Indeed, this is one of the problems that I had with [i]Dark Heresy[/i] and one amongst many that it rapidly became stored in the "unused RPG bag" in my closet.

Ah well. To be fair I've kind of partially given up on seeing the kind of products that I would eat up, but it would be nice to see something other than big general books that only gave broad brush strokes and the typical caveat of, "Well, it varies from world to world..."

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Another awesome idea mentioned earlier is a sourcebook detailing void life, with ship schematics and perhaps specialist career paths, and the terrors faced with warp travel/pirates/space hulks...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/184338.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/184338.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/184416.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/184416.page GMT
That would be very good, though a bit of work might make that campaign fit into DH

I personally want to see detailed gazeteers of key worlds in the Calaxis sector, and the detailed supplement on ship life would be good too imo.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/184491.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/9225/184491.page GMT

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