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Hollow World is an online roleplaying game based in the universe of Warhammer 40k and Dark Heresy. We do not strictly use a rules system, but instead our Game Masters and Players employ free form storytelling to move along their adventures.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorld40K/

We are currently seeking new Game Masters to run additional plotlines, as well as new players to help create these new plots or to join existing ones.

During the summer, I plan to start up a new plot which will very much be along the lines of a Dark Heresy game, and will feature a group of Inquisitorial Agents searching out the things that go bump in the night. It will be oriented towards elements of mystery and horror, with a focus on roleplaying, investigation and problem solving. Appropriate characters would include Dark Heresy Characters, Hired Guns from Necromunda, Inquisitorial Agents from Inquisitor, or Inquisitorial Retinue from the Daemonhunter and Witch Hunter Codexes.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldDH/

We also currently have several ongoing games, plus additional roleplaying opportunities.

The first is based on the Space Wolves Chapter of Space Marines, and features a number of characters from the Ragnar novels. They are currently launching an assault into a Necron Stronghold.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldSW/

The second is based on an Adeptus Mechanicus Expedition to the blasted Rad World of Beryl to investigate the possible location of an STC device.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldAM/

The third is a loose-knit group of various Imperial Guardsmen and other Imperial Servants (sort of a catch-all) who are currently fighting Tyranids on Hollow World itself. The IGs are currently part of a crossover adventure with the Space Marines, Inquisition and Tau.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldIG/

The fourth is a group from the Tau Empire, made up of Tau, Kroot, Vespid and other races, who are part of a diplomatic and trade fleet visiting Hollow World, but also enacting their own plans for the Greater Good. The Tau are also part of the crossover event.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldTE/

The newest plot, just starting up, features members of the Grey Knights.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldGK/

In addition, we have Morg’s Pit, which is a tavern area and general purpose welcome area for new characters, run by me, with a rogues gallery of NPCs.

We also will be starting up games for Deathwatch Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, and Eldar in the near future.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldDW/
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldSB/
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldEL/

If you have any interest in running a plotline as a Game Master, or a new idea for a game group in which you would want to participate, please let me know and I will do my best to make this happen, as far as finding a GM and/or players for that plot.

If you have any questions, please contact BlkSabbath74@yahoo.com
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What sort of characters are you looking for?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144279.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144279.page GMT
Adept
Assassin
Cleric
Enforcer
Guardsman
Sanctioned Psyker
Scum
Sister of Battle

In addition, any of the Necromunda Hired Guns would work, to include;

Bounty Hunter
Crazy Doc
Defense Force Deserter
House Agent
Nomad Guide
Ogryn Bodyguard
Pit Slave
Ratskin Scout
Rogue Handler
Scum
Shaman
Sniper
Wyrd

Also, a number of the Inquisitor Arhcetypes would work;

Assassin
Desperado
Ecclesiarch
Enforcer
Fanatic
Imperial Guard
Mutant
Rogue Trader

Finally, any of the following Witch Hunter/Daemonhunter retinue;

Acolyte/Interrogator/Explicator
Chirurgeon/Torturer/Excoriator/Sister Hospitalier
Death Cult Assassin
Familiar/Cherubim/Servo-skull/Psyber-eagle
Hierophant/Castigator/Ecclesiarchy Priest/Exorcist
Imperial Assassin
Mystics/Astropath/Warp-Seer/Sanctioned Psyker
Penitent/Bound Psyker/Penitent Witch/Pariah/Untouchable
Sage/Autosavant/Lexmechanic/Calculus Logi
Warrior/Imperial Guard Veteran/Combat-Servitor/Gun-Servitor /Crusader

Obviously, there's some overlap there, and some of the above would be difficult to play, but that's basically most of the ideas.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144436.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144436.page GMT
We have multiple other games, and would pretty much be willing to sponsor whatever additional games that GMs were willing to run.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144449.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144449.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144473.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144473.page GMT
Basically, you make up a character, and post the actions of that character. Meanwhile, the GM of that respective plot posts the actions of the enemies and NPCs and the outcomes of all the actions. We actually started out with a system, but over the last 4 years have sort of evolved beyond needing one.

We kicked around the idea of implementing the Dark Heresy system, but decided to just keep going with our instincts.

We DO have alot of fun!

Check it out if you're interested!

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorld40K/

We are looking for potential GMs as well as players.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144484.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144484.page GMT
BTW, there is always plenty of combat and gunplay in Hollow World.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144487.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144487.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144504.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/144504.page GMT
What are the plots, without giving anything away? What characters are already involved, and what sort of characters are you looking for?

Thanks!]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/145287.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/145287.page GMT
The oldest running game is the Space Wolves game, which started with a single player playing the character of Ragnar Blackmane, and is now probably the largest game we have going.

The premise is that Ragnar and all the other Space Wolves who are in danger of succumbing to the beast and becoming Wulfen have fled to the far ends of the galaxy, to fight Chaos without risking the lives of their fellow Space Wolves, or the reputation of their chapter by keeping its greatest secret.

The story thus far...

The Space Wolves began rather spectacularly by raiding a Blackstone Fortress in the possession of a Chaos Lord, which they took possession of, cleansed, and now use as their central base in the Hollow World region. Since then, they have participated in numerous defenses and adventures. Currently, they are cleaning out a tombful of Necrons in the Necron Mountain plotline.

Even I can't keep up with all the characters, off the top of my head, but here is a rough list;

Ragnar Blackmane (GM Character)
Ivarr Wolfhammer the Dreadnought (GM from another plot)
Iron Priest Licinus
Rune Priest Eadulf Bernson
Wolf Priest Thorleif
Wolfblade Wolfguard Haegr (this is mine, playing Haegr from the novels)
Grey Hunter Wolfguard Haagron Wraithmaw
Grey Hunter Wolfguard Rak'Toe Demius
Blood Claw Wolfguard Borne Sixtoe
Blood Claw Wolfguard Loran Bloodscowl
Blood Claw Wolfguard Kjel Bloodmaw
Scout Wolfguard Sweyen

Personally, I would love to see other characters from the novels, such as Torin, Sven and even Strybjorn.

Anyway, that's a pretty brief overview.

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Arguably the second oldest game in our group is based around the Imperial Guard, although there are also 3 Ultramarines and a Sensei involved. It has been the catch-all plot of Hollow World for some time, although I would really like to reconsolidate it and give it more of a true Imperial Guard flavor.

It was actually begun by a different player, and the current GM took over the survivors of the initial plotline. It basically involves an Imperial Guard regiment commanded by a Commissar-General and assembled from the survivors of multiple units. It began as a single squad, and has evolved into a full regiment as the characters have been promoted and taken on new missions.

Anyway, several of the main characters have dropped out for different reasons during the last 6 months, and we are currently wrapping up a major clash between the IGs and the Tyranids, but after that I look forward to regrouping the plotline.

If anyone would be interested in playing an Imperial Guardsman, this would be ideal!
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The third oldest, and second largest RPG we have is an Adeptus Mechanicus specific game.

The premise is that the AM have heard rumors of the potential existence of a previously undiscovered STC device of Beryl, a Radworld devestated by atomic war during the Dark Age of Technology, and overrun with mutant tribes and other mutated monsters.

I am currently running it, and have been suprised all along by the popularity of the group.

We currently have the following players
5 Tech-Priests (2 Magos, 1 Biologis, 2 Enginseers)
2 Skitarri (1 Major, 1 Sergeant)
1 Iron Hands Space Marine
3 Knight Titan Pilots
1 Warlord Titan Princeps

One would think that the inclusion of Titans would upset game balance, but they are actually rarely used. Most of the places the group goes are too small for the effective use of Titans.

The Princeps, whose player also runs one of the Enginseers, generally remains with his Titan to act as a fallback point and artillery support.

The Knight Pilots disembark and accompany the ground team.

I will eventually give the Titans something to worry about though.

Anyway, this is a really strong group, though I would love to see the addition of an Electro Priest or an Adept of some sort (Auto-Savant, Lexmechanic, ect).]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/147091.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/147091.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/147856.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/147856.page GMT
Well, our fourth game is the Tau Empires game.

We have 2 Tau, a Kroot, and a Vespid, thus far, and are looking to add new players.

This one has only just started up. Its actually a restart of a game that fell apart a while back.

It's fun, but a bit tricky, having them in with all the Imperials.

We've taken the tack that they have a trade fleet, and are establishing diplomatic ties.

We still have plenty of problems, and its a bit unrealistic for the 40K universe of Total War.

On the other hand, I'd rather have those problems than NOT have a Tau group.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/148734.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/148734.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/149496.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/149496.page GMT
You could have the captain, first officer, mechanicus majoris, navigator, commissar, flight leader for the fighter groups, commander of the armsmen, astropath, ect.

I just read Relentless, and think that could be cool.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/149558.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/149558.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/152011.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/152011.page GMT
Not sure how much of that fluff would still be applicable!]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/152586.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/152586.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/152606.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/152606.page GMT
How do you keep up with all those games?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/153494.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/153494.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154028.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154028.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154031.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154031.page GMT
Basically, each GM has their own group and their own site.

I can post the individual addresses of you are interested...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154261.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154261.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154866.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/154866.page GMT
If you can follow a link you can find any of the sattelite groups.

It basically helps lighten our posting volume by spreading it around. Players only need to recieve mail, or check messages online, for the groups in which they are participating.

It allows the players to have as much or little activity as they want, as well as being able to check messages on the web, or through email.

Frankly, if someone can't figure out a few links, then I don't necessarily want them in our game.

;-p
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We are also hoping to get together a GM and some players for an eldar group, and even an Imperial Navy/Rogue Trader group in the future.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/155646.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/155646.page GMT ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/156302.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/156302.page GMT
I'll be starting that over the summer.

It should be fun having two Ordo Malleus games running at once, one depicting the high level, Grey Knight assaults, and the other the lowly, undercover efforts of the Agents of the Inquisition.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/156471.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/156471.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/157079.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/157079.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/157217.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/157217.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/158082.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/158082.page GMT
The Daemonhunters focuses more in inquisitorial retinue, and is more along the lines of traditional Dark Heresy.

It should be fun to see the Macro and Micro of the Ordo Malleus at work...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/158286.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/158286.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/158548.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/158548.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/160820.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/160820.page GMT
1. Are stormtroopers open for either the IG or the Daemonhunter storylines?

2. What about commissars?

3. And of course many would ask about an Inquisitor.

I personally would be most interested in a Stroomtrooper for the Inquisition. But if a Stormtrooper is worked in through experience and merit as just a guardsman first, I'd rather start that way and see if I'd live! ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/160932.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/160932.page GMT
As the Imperial Guard and Inquisition are in crossover mode right now, it would absolutely work for you to come in an an Imperial Guard Stormtrooper and then be recruited by the Inquisition at the end of the crossover.

At that point, you could potentially start a second Commissar character for the Imperial Guard game.

As for Inquisitors, those are pretty much GM-level characters, but Investigators or Interrogators would be very workable.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/161004.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/161004.page GMT
A commissar would be my personal second choice only because they are so iconic to the Imperial Guard IMO. I think that it would be a nice change of pace for me since I often Scum type characters in other systems.

Just hit me back when you get a chance and I'll try to get involved ASAP. I am going through RPG withdrawal since there are not a lot of gaming groups that I know of where I live. I just need to know how to submit a character through you guys and to make sure that I'm doing things correctly for the story arc.

Thanks again for your time!

littledjtucker

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Just jump in here...

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorld40K/

The stormtrooper would be a great character, I think, and fun for Daemonhunter/Dark Heresy as he adjusts to being among civilians and moving beyond just combat situations. I would even give him a special weapon.

If you decide you'd like to also play the Commissar, the crossover plot will be splitting up around August, so the Imperial Guard and Daemonhunters will go into seperate groups.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/162527.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/162527.page GMT
Warhammer 40K/Dark Heresy Online Roleplaying Community

Hollow World is an online roleplaying game based in the universe of Warhammer 40k and Dark Heresy. We do not strictly use a rules system, but instead our Game Masters and Players employ free form storytelling to move along their adventures.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorld40K/

We are currently seeking new Game Masters to run additional plotlines, as well as new players to help create these new plots or to join existing ones.

During the summer, I plan to start up a new plot which will very much be along the lines of a Dark Heresy game, and will feature a group of Inquisitorial Agents searching out the things that go bump in the night. It will be oriented towards elements of mystery and horror, with a focus on roleplaying, investigation and problem solving. Appropriate characters would include Dark Heresy Characters, Hired Guns from Necromunda, Inquisitorial Agents from Inquisitor, or Inquisitorial Retinue from the Daemonhunter and Witch Hunter Codexes.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldDH/

We also currently have several ongoing games, plus additional roleplaying opportunities.

The first is based on the Space Wolves Chapter of Space Marines, and features a number of characters from the Ragnar novels. They are currently launching an assault into a Necron Stronghold.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldSW/

The second is based on an Adeptus Mechanicus Expedition to the blasted Rad World of Beryl to investigate the possible location of an STC device.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldAM/

The third is a loose-knit group of various Imperial Guardsmen and other Imperial Servants (sort of a catch-all) who are currently fighting Tyranids on Hollow World itself. The IGs are currently part of a crossover adventure with the Space Marines, Inquisition and Tau.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldIG/

The fourth is a group from the Tau Empire, made up of Tau, Kroot, Vespid and other races, who are part of a diplomatic and trade fleet visiting Hollow World, but also enacting their own plans for the Greater Good. The Tau are also part of the crossover event.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldTE/

The newest plot, just starting up, features members of the Grey Knights.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldGK/

In addition, we have Morg’s Pit, which is a tavern area and general purpose welcome area for new characters, run by me, with a rogues gallery of NPCs.

We also will be starting up games for Deathwatch Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, and Eldar in the near future.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldDW/
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldSB/
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorldEL/

If you have any interest in running a plotline as a Game Master, or a new idea for a game group in which you would want to participate, please let me know and I will do my best to make this happen, as far as finding a GM and/or players for that plot.

If you have any questions, please contact BlkSabbath74@yahoo.com
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Ideally, I would like to have an assistant GM, or Co-GM for EVERY game to ensure that it doesn't fall apart if one guy drops it...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/163070.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/163070.page GMT

Again thanks for the invite and look forward to gaming with you all very soon!

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1 Inquisitor (GM Character)
2 Enforcers (on a sperate plot, which will intersect eventually)
1 Assassin (Currently innactive)
1 Acolyte (Psyker/Inquisitor in Training)
1 Sanctioned Psyker
1 Sensei (Old Rogue Trader Fluff, Vessel of the Emperor)

I would love to get more characters, and even Co-GM Inquisitor, if possible.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/172178.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/172178.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/173315.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/173315.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/173544.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/173544.page GMT
They are charismatic leaders, and they do not generall understand what they are.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/175656.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/175656.page GMT
Many (non-radical) members of the Inquisition consider sensi to be mutants / aberations and will hunt them and kill them, others (Iluminati) wish to hunt them and 'protect' them (kill them later -- when its the 'right time'.) They are imortal, in the sense that they do not age or get sick, and unaware of their place in the scheme of things.

I think in classic GW sty;e they are no longer 'cannon' and have been phased oyt or put on the backburner. We now have the totaly awesome C'tan!! (Yeah!) and such things as the Star Child ? Numen and the Sensei have been tossed aside ('offically').]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/175682.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/175682.page GMT
For game purposes, we are playing her as a regular human with a force sword, no real psychic abilities, but leadership/morale abilities.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/175751.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/175751.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/176069.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/176069.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/178313.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/178313.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180095.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180095.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180212.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180212.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180324.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180324.page GMT
Yes, but its also according to [i]Realms of Chaos[/i], which preceded the novels.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180326.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180326.page GMT
Ian Watson was a decent enough writer, though not as talented as Dan Abnett, in my opinion. Abnett is by far the best writer in the GW stable.

I DO agree that Ian set up alot of the background for the Inquisition in Inquisition Wars. In fact, I think the novels are worth the read (and worth the $12 for the Omnibus) just for all the background.

However, where Ian Watson started on strong in his first novel, and most of his second novel, his series just sort of fell apart in the end. It set plenty of plot threads up and then just left them drifting. In addition, it also fell apart as far as the main characters were slowly and painfully (to the reader) ground down in the final novel. It ended up being very anticlimactic and depressing, in my opinion.

On the other hand, Abnett's Eisenhorn/Ravenor are a masterpiece, as far as creating a dark setting without corssing over to the point of making it oppressively, numbingly hopeless (ahem, Gav Thorpe).

Just my opinions.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180354.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180354.page GMT ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180779.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180779.page GMT
I've not read the eisenhorn/ravenor novels so cant really comment on them but I'm gennerally underwhelmed by Abnetts stuff (although Sinister Dexter was pretty good for the most part) and havent really enjoyed much of his 40k stuff (a warp observation deck?!!).

*prepares for flaming *

I mean really am I the only one who doesnt think he all that good?

anyway
One thing I really liked about the IW books was the way ignorance was used by the Imperium something I try to put into my games. If someone doesnt need to know it then chances are noone is going to tell them. For example: The hive workers who maintain the sewers (or some other menial base labour job type thing) don't need to know anything about the outside world to do their job and whos going to take the time to teach them? In the Imperiums weird oppressive knoledge is dangerous climate (and lets face it some knowledge is actually pretty bloody dangerous) they might actively suppress any knowledge of life outside their job. I feel that IW has got this accross better than any other 40k story I've read.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180909.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/180909.page GMT Hey, you must know my wife's character - the toughest Reclaimator Volg Hive ever produced!

But yeah, more ignorance is good.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181070.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181070.page GMT
I've not read the eisenhorn/ravenor novels so cant really comment on them but I'm gennerally underwhelmed by Abnetts stuff (although Sinister Dexter was pretty good for the most part) and havent really enjoyed much of his 40k stuff (a warp observation deck?!!).

*prepares for flaming *

I mean really am I the only one who doesnt think he all that good?

anyway
One thing I really liked about the IW books was the way ignorance was used by the Imperium something I try to put into my games. If someone doesnt need to know it then chances are noone is going to tell them. For example: The hive workers who maintain the sewers (or some other menial base labour job type thing) don't need to know anything about the outside world to do their job and whos going to take the time to teach them? In the Imperiums weird oppressive knoledge is dangerous climate (and lets face it some knowledge is actually pretty bloody dangerous) they might actively suppress any knowledge of life outside their job. I feel that IW has got this accross better than any other 40k story I've read.[/quote]

I agree with you 100% frootbat. While I think technically Ian and Dan are about equal in writing I think Ian has much better style, and better portrays those aspects that make 40K, 40K and not just some other sci-fi milue. Content wise I think Ian trumps Dan and also as regards his characters having more flavour as it were, where Dan seems to work in the braod strokes of Bad Assed Anti-hero, Bad Assed Villian, Bad Assed Hero ect.

I do however agree with BlkSabbath as regards the decline of his work though I think Inquisitor starts off strong probbly the best 40K novel todate in my opinion. His shorts from Deathwing also very good; Harlequin is still I think a good showing but things start to drop off in the latter parts and in Chaos Child. Over all though I'd take an Ian work to a Dan and my 40k would be more inspired and influenced by Ian's vision than Dan's.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181191.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181191.page GMT [/quote]

Well, the Sisters of Battle campaign should start up around the end of August, although you don't need the Inquisitor's Handbook to go ahead and get your character started. I would be more than happy to roleplay with you until the GM gets back in town.

Follow the links from here, if you aren't already a member.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HollowWorld40K/

As for the Eldar group, we are still awaiting a GM to take up the challenge.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181605.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181605.page GMT
*prepares for flaming *

I mean really am I the only one who doesnt think he all that good?
[/quote]

I'm certainly not going to flame anyone for having a difference of opinion, though if you haven't read the Eisenhorn and Ravenor material, then we won't have much common ground, as that's all that I have read by Abnett (other than some of the comics he's worked on).

I've heard very good things about his Horus Heresy novels though, in that they are the best of the series.

For me, Dan Abnett and Ben Counter are by far the best writers in the GW stable. Ian Watson isn't really in the stable, and frankly seems to have been more of a hired gun in the early days of Black Library.

For me, Abnett and Counter strike the perfect balance of the dark, oppressiveness of Imperial Civilization without taking it to the point of wanting to slit my wrists after reading one of their books. There's still hope, and the characters aren't treated as absolute crap to be flushed at the whim of an uncaring universe.

I realize that there are MANY players who embrace that philosophy, especially for Dark Heresy, but frankly, if I want utter hoplessness and crushing depression I'll watch the evening news.

Abnett's work is also very reflective of Frank Herbert's Dune series, which I'm a fan of, and, in fact, the Eisenhorn and Ravenor are good enough to stand alone, apart from the 40k universe. Watson's Inquisition Wars was very much a 40k vehicle.

Eisenhorn is very much an old-school detective noir, set in the 40k universe, whereas Inquisition Wars (which falls short of delivering an actual Inquisition War) just shows Draco blundering from situation to situation, with less and less character motivation to do so, as the series progresses, until I literally feel that the poor characters are being strung from point A to point B to point C with no motivation whatsoever, just to complete a plot outline.

Ian Watson's prose was effective enough, but after about the last quarter of Harlequin, the characters didn't seem to have any reason to be taking their course of action, and Chaos Child literally read like a narrative exposition of the 40K universe that Watson was contractually obligated to complete.

It fell massively short of the promise of his first novel, and therefore ended on a real down note.

While Abnett kills off almost everyone and ends in a really dark place, there is still hope, the character has accomplished something, and there is still faith that the Empeor has a plan for mankind.

I agree on the topic of Lex D'Arquebus. That novel paved the way for the Imperial Fists to become my favorite chapter of Marines.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181637.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181637.page GMT
Eisenhorn is ok, but it is glaringly obvious that its "Inquisitor" the book about the game and he gives the impression that more Inquisitors are rogue extremists than loyal servants.

I liked Inquisitor from Ian Watson, and would say it is still teh best 40k book about, ok the rest sucked but then thats true of a lot of series (Horus Heresy is kinda the same apart from the first 3 books were good, then it went downhill, with the last one being pointless)

As for Abnett being dark but not too dark, its one of the reason I like Watsons book, its so much darker, and despite all that Draco still fights on and thats what I would like to see more of - though thats just personal preference - that despite all the darkness, they fight on, but then given GWs demographic there is no way they will "adult up" the game.

One last thing about Eisenhorn.

***SPOILER***

Why didnt the =I= just pick up all his known associates and just torture them instead of letting them roam free, on his ticket, doing his orders and possibly up to all manner of evil things.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181667.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181667.page GMT One last thing about Eisenhorn.

***SPOILER***

Why didnt the =I= just pick up all his known associates and just torture them instead of letting them roam free, on his ticket, doing his orders and possibly up to all manner of evil things.[/quote]

Well, that would be assuming that there is some some sort of concerted command structure for the Inquisition, through which they are able to keep tabs on one another, and that there were not those among the Inquisition secretly supporting Eisenhorn.

As for Draco, after the death of Me'lindi, he totally falls apart, and essentially breaks his oaths of service in pursuit of a woman. I can't imagine being more out of character. Then, like a little wiener, he can't take it any more and essentially commits suicide. Not exactly my definition of 'fighting on.'

Eisenhorn, on the other hand, literally loses everything, and is still out there with Cherubael, doing the Emperor's good work as he sees fit.

As for my preference in fiction, I read for personal enjoyment, and don't particularly enjoy fiction that is so grim and oppressive that it is hopeless and ultimately pointless.

As a complete trilogy, Inquisition War WAS both hopeless and pointless, in my opinion.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181713.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181713.page GMT
Abnett is hard to pass by, even if you don't like him. The sheer volume of his writing is worth taking note of, and he's capable of changing his "author's voice," varying his style. I'm more a fan of his Gaunt's Ghosts series, than the Eisenhorn or Ravenor books. The simple Imperial Guardsman's view allow for a more vulnerable and grittier perspective, closer to the life of an ordinary citizen than any Space Marine epic. The series dips in the middle, where he's clearly out of inspiration, but they get better later on. I wasn't prepared for all the high tech in the Inquisitor novels, but he sells so well I guess they allow him a measure of artistic liberty. Will be interesting to see what he'll do with the Titanicus novel, this autumn. Brothers of the Snake hooked me onto playing loyalists, against my better judgement , and Double Eagle is entertaining too.

I'd also like to mention Graham McNeill. Storm of Iron is a classic, Fulgrim treats the Emperor's Children nicely compared with the other Horus Heresy volumes, and The Imperial Munitorum Manual is entertaining, despite being just a clone of The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer. He's also written a very nice background book about the later crusades. Can't recall the title.

Gordon Rennie's BFG books, Execution Hour and Shadow Point, are spot on. Gives a great feel for the Imperial Navy.

Gav Thorpe may be responsible for some of the most unbalanced army books they've done, but I have to admit his short stories are kinda sharp.

The Horus Heresy is so-so, IMHO. Goes from well done to crap and back again. I particularly dislike the random retconning they're doing with old fluff, but I guess nobody would be interested otherwise. Also, development of the 40K universe is a good thing. *nods wisely*

Ben Counter seems rather uneven to me. I hated Daemon World, quite liked the Grey Knight series, and was a bit disappointed with the Soul Drinkers series. Likewise, I'm not a fan of Sandy Mitchell's Ciaphas Cain series. Comedy is in the spirit of all the GW games, but... a cowardly, ironical Commissar? Nah, not for me.

Sorry if I trampled on anybody's toes, here. Not intended.

Edit: Hmm... this doesn't really belong here. Ah well, apology for going OT.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181785.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181785.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181830.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/181830.page GMT
Gav Thorpe may be responsible for some of the most unbalanced army books they've done, but I have to admit his short stories are kinda sharp.

[/quote]

For my part, I can't abide Gav Thorpe.

Some of his short stories have been conceptually intriguing, but his dialogue is stilted and awkward, and he really doesn't have any subtlety whatsoever.

Then don't even get me started on the steaming pile of crap that he labeled as Inquisitor.

Also, his treatment of Col. Schaeffer's Last Chancers, turning them from a Dirty Dozen/Kelly's Heroes style unit into a poor man's Riddick was just to painful to be forgivable!!

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Oh well thank god for that, cheers for not verbally raping me guys. I did a review of the first horus heresy book when it came out (can ya guess that i didnt like it?) and posted it on the black library forum and dear lord did i get flamed...

Yeah Gav Thorpe is rubbish. Graham McNeil can turn out some nice stuff but he leans a little heavily on the metaphores for my liking, why does everything have to scream out of the sky like some huge bird of prey or somesuch. It just starts to grate when every second sentence is a metaphore.

If you have ever read any of Ben Counter's 2000AD stuff you can see whats missing from his books... the pictures. His scripts do a nice job of supporting the art but they seem to rely mainly on the art to tell the story, which is fine in a comic but not when you dont have the purdy pictures. His stuff also seems to have the same kind of plotting and cadence as sequential comic book storytelling, plodding from one short arc to another.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/182171.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/182171.page GMT
Ah have to disagree - I have read both - I think I still have the Flashman series in my Library (X thousands books ) - and I find Cain a much more sympathetic and enjoyable character - also really enjoy the editorials and the odd extract from usually "Worse" books.

but then different strokes ................]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/182211.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/182211.page GMT His stuff also seems to have the same kind of plotting and cadence as sequential comic book storytelling, plodding from one short arc to another.[/quote]

That's an interesting point. I hadn't really thought about it before, but my two favorite 40k authors are veteran comic book writers. I'm also a big fan of Neil Gaimen. Not sure if thats relevant, but I would imagine that has affected their style, both in terms of visual descriptions (for me, less is more, I like to imagine it myself) pacing, and theme.

Anyway, I enjoy that style, but to each his own...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/182225.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/182225.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/183558.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/183558.page GMT
I'm quite surprised all this chatter about stable writers is still continuing with [i]precisely no mention[/i] of Matthew Farrer. Easily one of the better authors BLP has. His works aren't as fast paced or as action packed as Dan Abnett, nor as well crafted towards putting the reader through distinct misery if they haven't finished the book in a day or two. But, on the upside, I found his vivid vision of the 41st Millenium to be second to none.

With McNeil and Thorpe I've found their work varied. Not entirely disagreeable, but not hugely awesome. I'm not a particular fan of Abnett as the background in his book feels very superficial, as if it were simply 'enough to get me by' whilst concentrating on the plot. I don't think I've ever...savoured reading Abnett's book. Taking them slowly has never seemed necessary (or valuable). With Farrer's, however, and indeed Watson's, I've found myself happily revisiting bits and pieces to simply reread a chapter [i]because it was well written[/i].

I think that's the difference though. Dan Abnett writes very fine stories, in my opinion, and undeniably well crafted in terms of excitement and use of literary techniques, but Farrer's have been a work of vision and decent ability to put together a simple story.

I'd perhaps hesitate to say one is definately the superior of the other, but I much prefer reading Farrer's book any given day, but still find little that compares to the impulse I had on reading Abnett's HH novels. They were...fast. ([i]Legion[/i] being, I think, a quite fine example of why it's both 'really good' and yet not a patch compared to some extracts from [i]Crossfire[/i] or [i]Legacy[/i]).

I do understand, however, that some folks will find Farrer's work dull, tedious or uninteresting. You pay your money you take your choice, so to speak!
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I'd also add that Rennie's EH & [i]Shadowpoint[/i] were *very* good too. As is Williams' [i]Relentless[/i].

I do believe Farrer's done a fair amount of short stories too, though I've read scarcely in terms of short story scifi, even within BLP stuff.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/183783.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/183783.page GMT
Ditto. Just didn't come to think of them in my own list, for some reason.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/184403.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/184403.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/185134.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/185134.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/185184.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/185184.page GMT
...slowly plotting his revenge, taking his enemies out one by one and making them turn on one another...

...instead they all just turned on one another without any provokation...and it all happened too quickly.

Still, not a bad read.

Most of the 40K novels are mediocre works of fiction, but lets face it, we read them because we love the 40k universe and are thirsty for any additional knowledge.

Most of the novels are at least a decent read though...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/187540.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/187540.page GMT
... Most of the 40K novels are mediocre works of fiction, but lets face it, we read them because we love the 40k universe and are thirsty for any additional knowledge.

Most of the novels are at least a decent read though...[/quote]

Amen.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/187856.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/187856.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/187915.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/187915.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188195.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188195.page GMT
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So unfortunately, you're not going to get many of the truly talented writers to write Warhammer 40k novels. It's a trade-off.

The best you can hope for is a solid, decent novel which sticks to the fluff.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188855.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188855.page GMT
Never mind the fact his writing is utterly superb, but some of the aspects of Ian M Banks' writing would never, ever make it into a GW novel, purely because they are waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that pg/15 cap.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188861.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188861.page GMT
You have a bit more leeway with Inquisitors and Rogue Traders, but Guardsmen, Space Marines and the like are pretty limited in scope.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188873.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188873.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188893.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188893.page GMT
I mean, when I crack open a 40K novel, I'm pretty much expecting something on the level of talented fan fiction...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188937.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/188937.page GMT
With the contracted stuff it can be a little too 'writing by numbers' they just check the boxes]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189498.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189498.page GMT
With the contracted stuff it can be a little too 'writing by numbers' they just check the boxes[/quote]

More writing by the number so they sell more boxes...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189576.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189576.page GMT More writing by the number so they sell more boxes...[/quote]

Yeah deffinitely I espeicially loath the books they bring out to coincide with new codex/army book releases. They really do just read like adversts with plot attached.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189594.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189594.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189606.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189606.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189681.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/189681.page GMT More writing by the number so they sell more boxes...[/quote]

Yeah deffinitely I espeicially loath the books they bring out to coincide with new codex/army book releases. They really do just read like adversts with plot attached.[/quote]

Good call!!

I honestly feel like that was what went wrong with Ian Watson's Inquisition Wars. He set up tons of great stuff in the first and second novel, but the third one read like some sort of tour of the 40K universe, determined to showcase each and every army while simultaneously abandoning the plot. Also, his heart didn't seem to be in it anymore. I think that he was contractually obligated to finish, even though they were cramming it down his throat.

Likewise, in Eisenhorn, there was alot of stuff from Gav Thorpe's craptastic Inquisitor game that was shoe-horned in and didn't really fit the story. For instance, Eisenhorn didn't strike me as being either an Ordo Xenos OR an Amalathian. I think he was obligated to put alot of that in there, even though it didn't fit with the author's vision.

Those horrid Last Chancer novels were nothing BUT promos. The first was a promo for the Last Chancer boxed set, re-released (even though Gav totally ignored the models and the background); the second was a promo for the new Tau race, and the third was a promo for the Armageddon campaign.

Then there was Fire Warrior...

We could probably list them for hours.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190418.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190418.page GMT
I mean, the writing is nothing spectacular, and they read like some of the more forgettable Conan novels, but despite that, they DO give a good story, a real sense of the Space Wolves, and some fun, if 2-d characters. I love Haegr and Torin.

Even though my rational mind notifies me that they are not great novels, the teenage boy in me still finds them (and many of the 40k novels) entertaining.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190422.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190422.page GMT
Hell, I grew up reading Sven Hassel and Battle Action Comics ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190463.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190463.page GMT
There is nothing wrong with that type of fun, so long as you are expecting it.

I very rarely feel let down by a Warhammer novel. I know what I'm getting, and especially with the Omnibus collections, I always get at least my money's worth, and sometimes a pleasant suprise.

I am currently reading the Blood Ravens Omnibus, and am getting pretty much what I expected.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190935.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/190935.page GMT
I think that might be a better description of Dark Heresy...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/192063.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/192063.page GMT
Here's my short list;

Best:
Eisenhorn Trilogy by Dan Abnett
Ravenor Trilogy by Dan Abnett
Soul Drinkers (First 2 Novels) by Ben Counter
Inquisitor by Ian Watson

Worst:
Last Chancers by Gav Thorpe
Second and Third Inquisition Wars novels by Ian Watson

I also thought the 3rd Soul Drinker Novel and the 3rd Ultramarine novel by Graham MacNeil experienced sharp changes for the worse in both content and theme.

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Gaunt's Ghosts (the 1st and 2nd Omnibuses)
Eisenhorn
Purge The Unclean
Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium
Souldrinkers (books 1-3)]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/193509.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/193509.page GMT

- Dark Imperium (short story anthology)
- Faith and Fire
- Inquisitor

If we're also taking graphical novels into account, then I can say there's one series I had mixed feelings: Daemonifuge. The first book was just awesome and every page featured artwork of such a high quality that it might as well have been a compilation of drawings. The story was also quite intrigueing, although I sometimes had the impression that it evolved too fast and there should have been more room for things in-between, especially when it comes to the political fighting and the little intrigues within the Imperium that the books were hinting at.

However, in the midst of the series, it appears as if the budget was cut by 90%, for the beautiful artwork was replaced by what looked like fan-art I could have as well been doing myself. The story kept being good, but as for the images, I have to say I was extremely disappointed. Luckily, though, they changed the artist yet again, so this horror was over after about 20 pages.

I still feel kind of "let down" as the series is lacking a proper end, though. Ephrael is still on the loose, with that crazy Inquisitor trying to kill her just because he cannot see what's really going on. I wish they'd continue this plot sometime, for there's still a lot of potential in it.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/193789.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/193789.page GMT
Caphias Cain
Scourge the Heretic
Dawn of War Omnibus
Space Wolves: Omnibus
Blood Angers: Omnibus
Ravenor: Omnibus
Gaunt's Ghosts (1st Omnibus)
Souldrinkers Omnibus

Haven't gotten into Eisenhorn, but I plan to read it someday]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/193793.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/193793.page GMT Scourge the Heretic
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I meant this one instead of Purge the Unclean, but for some reason I put down the wrong book ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/194509.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/194509.page GMT Worst - Daemon World, Ben Counter]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/194609.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/194609.page GMT wether that be Shadowrun or Battletech

Probably liked the Cain novels most, then Guants Ghosts/ Eisenhorn and Scourge the Heretic and Simon Spurrier's Lord of the Night and Fire Warrior were superb..........

to be honest few have dissapointed and I find them consistantly good and form a favoured part of my book collection - about 2-3000 novels
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Good ones, for me, would be:

[list]Eisenhorn.[/list]
[list]Inquisition War. [/list]
[list]Farrer novels.[/list]
[list]Cain.[/list]

And that's about it for me. There is a larger "B-list" of BL novels, but the majority or "C-list."

But that's just me.

[b]Kage[/b]]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195182.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195182.page GMT
-Calpurnia
-Last Chancers
-Ciaphas Cain

true that I haven´t read Eisenhorn yet (comming soon)]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195355.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195355.page GMT

Some love the books, some hate the books, some tend to go "meh." Whatever twiddles your biscuit.

[b]Kage[/b]]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195536.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195536.page GMT
And I find most people like Abnett cause he is the head writer hired to recreate the setting.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195779.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/195779.page GMT If we're also taking graphical novels into account, then I can say there's one series I had mixed feelings: Daemonifuge. The first book was just awesome and every page featured artwork of such a high quality that it might as well have been a compilation of drawings. The story was also quite intrigueing, although I sometimes had the impression that it evolved too fast and there should have been more room for things in-between, especially when it comes to the political fighting and the little intrigues within the Imperium that the books were hinting at.

However, in the midst of the series, it appears as if the budget was cut by 90%, for the beautiful artwork was replaced by what looked like fan-art I could have as well been doing myself. The story kept being good, but as for the images, I have to say I was extremely disappointed. Luckily, though, they changed the artist yet again, so this horror was over after about 20 pages.

I still feel kind of "let down" as the series is lacking a proper end, though. Ephrael is still on the loose, with that crazy Inquisitor trying to kill her just because he cannot see what's really going on. I wish they'd continue this plot sometime, for there's still a lot of potential in it.[/quote]

I agree, although, after the death of Inquisitor Silas Hand, there was a sharp drop in the writing as well...

Ephrael makes an ally, an enemy comes after her, the enemy kills the ally, but Ephrael defeats the enemy and moves on...

...add, rinse, repeat...]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/196491.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/196491.page GMT
And I find most people like Abnett cause he is the head writer hired to recreate the setting.[/quote]

He also wrote most of the background for Dark Heresy...and did a good job in reworking the 40K fluff.

What, worlds of peace, prosperity and ennui? NO WAY!!]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/196502.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/196502.page GMT
Don't forget Cain's actual character. Someone who tries so hard to slack off that he actually winds up doing more work than necessary, often saving the day in the process, is worth reading about, if for no other reason than to find out how he got into the mess and back out of it THIS time!]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197146.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197146.page GMT
Brothers of the Snake (really surprised how much I liked this one)

Eisenhorn Omnibus (loved the slide towards corruption)

Ravenor Omnibus (found the bad guy much less compelling than in Eisenhorn, loved the depiction of the hive world)

Gaunt's Ghosts Omnibus (seemed too limited after the inquisitor novels and the characters were much more cardboard cutout - and didn't die enough! I can see inquisitors cutting through legions of enemies but ordinary guardsmen?)]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197496.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197496.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197503.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197503.page GMT My list of favs goes:

- Ravenor series
- Eisenhorn omnibus
- Double Eagle
- Deff Skwadron (ORKS!)]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197547.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197547.page GMT

Oh, when we are talking about comics, don´t forget on Kal Jerico!

[i]I was in worse situations than this. That I can´t recall any of them in the moment is another matter...[/i] ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197555.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197555.page GMT

Oh, when we are talking about comics, don´t forget on Kal Jerico!

[i]I was in worse situations than this. That I can´t recall any of them in the moment is another matter...[/i] [/quote]

Good call, Kal Jerico rocked!]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197672.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197672.page GMT
At least he does do that though - so many authors won't. Same in TV shows and in Comics (or at least stay dead) - at least in the former you may not want to make someone unemployed ...............]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197756.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197756.page GMT My list of favs goes:

- Ravenor series
- Eisenhorn omnibus
- Double Eagle
- Deff Skwadron (ORKS!)[/quote]

"Whos that flash git flying without wings"

"thats Killboy Boss"

"Good O'l Killboy"



Deff Skwadron - much fun ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197757.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197757.page GMT
At least he does do that though - so many authors won't. Same in TV shows and in Comics (or at least stay dead) - at least in the former you may not want to make someone unemployed ...............[/quote]

On the other hand, I prefer the deaths to have some sort of dramatic impact, rather than just including enough red-shirts that one gets killed off by each new adversary.

There's far too much of that.

I'd rather an author be in love with his characters than be in love with the way he writes death scenes.

Don't get me wrong, I do the same thing as a GM, but then, I never claimed to be a novelist.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197800.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/197800.page GMT
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Good call...remember when virtually EVERYONE was killed off by Pontius Glaw in the 3rd Eisenhorn novel, and after reading about them for 3 novels, you just felt like you'd been gut punched?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/198524.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/198524.page GMT
[quote=peacekeeper_b]I find most people like the Cain novels because of his view of the 40k universe. He finds it almost as silly as some of us do at times, but follows along for the masses.

And I find most people like Abnett cause he is the head writer hired to recreate the setting.[/quote]

Funnily, I find the Cain novels irritating just because of that. They're well written and have a lot of humour, just like the 40k universe in itself. It's just that I wonder how the hell Cain got through the Schola Progenium (if he was even there) without being given the Emperor's Mercy.

On my part, I like Abnett because he's a storyteller who loves to spin a tale. Most of the time, the fun he had in writing the novel shines through. IMO, he creates believable and interesting characters. Also, he's a stylist who actually tries to find variation in how he tells his stories.

Love the universe and it's very relaxing to sit down with a read from the 40k novel line. Sometimes you want the full banquet, sometimes you just want a hot dog. Gotta take it for what it is.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/199413.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/199413.page GMT My experience is limited. I read [i]False Gods[/i] and [i]Chapter War[/i] in the original English and [i]Inquisitor: Order Xenos[/i] in Russian translation.

The first two were entertaining in a literary fast-food kind of way -- if I weren't enamoured with the 40K universe, though, there is no way I would have read all the way through to the end in the case of either book.

[i]Inquisitor: Order Xenos[/i], on the other hand, was awesome (despite the fact that Eisenhorn is too proficient at everything to be plausible). I fear, however, that this may be because of a really good translator rather than Abnett's own writing style. ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/199512.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/7328/199512.page GMT