Most Desired New Content?

Quote from Vlkodlak: -
...And in all fairness personally I like the idea of "Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian" Stunties...

I think when I posted my suggestion I wasn't exactly clear. What I was thinking was along the lines of what Vlkodlak suggested, with some reference to Persian/Mithraic culture, bull-cults and possibly minotaurs enslaved by the "stunties" thrown in for a good measure.

Personally I'd like to think of the fluff in the ToC regarding Chaos Dwarfs as one point of view, similar to the intro chapter of CotHR or NDM, that some scholar in the Old World got his facts mixed up.

I would like to see a supplement concerning Araby. It would be nice to see if how they would a Warhammer-spin of the Ottoman Empire, maybe some Persian/Iranian for good measure.

Ottoman Empire... Eeek!!!
What do You think about going a bit earlier with inspirations. The Golden Age of Islaam I mean by that. Great theologial/medical/scientific debates between some of the biggest minds of the world, Golden domed cities, one of the best tradesman, travellers and merchants of the Old World, mysterious sorcerers comanding the powers of elements incarnated in mighty Spirits, mixing of the cultures (desert nomads, city dwellers and steppe riders -> check the Araby setting for Mordheim on Specialist Games` site)... And of course legacy of the Crusades.
By the way... What do You think about description of Crusades in ToS? Personally I would shoot the writer that commited such an abomination.

Vlkodlak wrote:Ottoman Empire... Eeek!!!

Warhammer's Araby is said to be inspirated by the Ottoman empire.

Vlkodlak wrote:By the way... What do You think about description of Crusades in ToS? Personally I would shoot the writer that commited such an abomination.

I can't be more agree. IMHO, Crusades in Warhammer is the perfect exemple of a badly integrated historical inspiration.

Captain frakas wrote:
Warhammer's Araby is said to be inspirated by the Ottoman empire.

By whom? From what I've seen of Warmaster material (the sole official source on Araby), it's in the vein of what Vlkodlak said, rather then a copy of the Ottoman Empire.

I thank you for your time

Lord Gorthuar de Veris
Cult of Nagash

Just out of curiosity, why exactly do certain fans dislike the Warhammer crusades? Is it the idea itself or the manner in which it was presented or executed that is problematic?

Well, the idea kicks ass, but execution/presentation screams for heavens vengeance. For example there`s absolutely no justification for the term itself. Where the hell the said Cross (Crux) came from?!

Same goes for the Crusade of the Child from TTT, it irritates me to no end. I tried inventing a replacement word, toying around with "Malleus" instead of "Crux", but it just doesn't work out

Allright. That`s an explanation that I`m using. Let`s concentrate on the shape not on the meaning of the symbol. In chivalrous mythology a sword held blade down was often used as an substitute of a cross. And in Old World "crusades" started when Brettonians decided to help Estalians in getting rid of the Arabian menace. So imagine a scene like that...

A knight was sent with his entourage to held talks with the generals and Sheiks of the invading army. Following the rules of the chivalrous code Brettonian King decided, that before moving his troops into battle positions it would be fair to issue a request for them to leave the invaded lands so no blood will be spilled and peace could return. Envoy was aproaching under a white banner. But after the sides met, Knight stepped down from his horse, unsheated his sword, held it blade down and thrust it into the ground saiyng: "We come here with peace and looking for peace. As You can see are swords are not raised high, prepared to strike. But nevertheless they are drawn and ready in defence of those who cannot defend themselves. Consider this before You will give us Your answer..."

And as they say, the rest is history. There were witnesess to the whole scene which decided to adapt the unsheated sword as a symbol of their cause. And as not everyone was rich or skilled enough to field a banner of the naked sword, the symbol became symplified into a cross. That`s how the movement became to be known as Crusaders. What do You think?

It comes from the corruption of the Estalian word "crusados", meaning those who are cruising around in boats. When the Bretons and Empire men spent so long waiting for the navy to be built to take them to Araby, the Estalians mockinly dubbed them as hobby-sailors (a crusado is no marinero). The foreigners however thought the Estalians were honouring them, and took it as their title, Empiricising it to "crusaders".

Count Gravenheim wrote:

LOL! Unfortunatly big whips does equal to good engineering skills.

The skaven have created cyborgs, flamethrowers, gatling guns, napalm and tasers. At what point did you decide they lacked engineering skills?

Fun Fact: There is only one central farsqueaker, under Nuln, but it can open a visual portal to any number of underhives across the Old World. However, it tends to explode if it has too many portals open at once. When this happens, it emits wild blue lights and all the slaves operating it die screaming, triggering what is called the "blue scream of death".

SteveD wrote:triggering what is called the "blue scream of death".

Oh how I hate you...

Artaxerxes wrote:

SteveD wrote:triggering what is called the "blue scream of death".

Oh how I hate you...

I pun because I love.

SteveD wrote:

The skaven have created cyborgs, flamethrowers, gatling guns, napalm and tasers. At what point did you decide they lacked engineering skills?

Mea culpa!

I did not decide anything... What I am saying is in that in my humble opinion from the previous info we had from 1st edition I would not have thought Skaven to be very advance technologicaly.

That being said I do own Children of the Horned Rat and I like was done with the Skaven has whole. I was just a bit surprise to see all this section on "engineering" and it took a little bit of adjustment on my part. I did enjoy the "Skaven Anatomia" and vast majority of this sourcebook whitout going into details (Spoilers).

Gorthuar wrote:

Captain frakas wrote:
Warhammer's Araby is said to be inspirated by the Ottoman empire.

By whom?

By WFB2 bestiary, WFRP1 rulebook and perhaps also by WFB3 rulebook (but I'm not sure and I don't have it next to my computer).

Sythorn wrote:Just out of curiosity, why exactly do certain fans dislike the Warhammer crusades? Is it the idea itself or the manner in which it was presented or executed that is problematic?

The way they are described don't feet to the Warhammer world IMHO. It's too artificial, and I only see in it the parallel with our real History while some other events are also taken from our History but are better implemented in the spirit of the Warhammer universe.