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Kaufschtick
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williambarkerVC wrote:Also I should add I have a Roden Brisfit in 1:72, a two prop version.
Before I found Wings of War, I had every intention of playing the very old and highly outstanding Dawn Patrol/Fight in the Skies with 1:72. Then, I found Wings of War, and the minis were just too bloody good to say no to...
I've seen that game, Aerodrome, that uses 1/72 scale models on anteneas with a "swivel clap thingie" that attaches to the plane. Looks great. Too big for casual table top gming though. This game here is where it's at for table top miniature gaming.
Although, I must say that if you get the chance to play this one on, say about a 4' x 6' or 4' x 8' area, it really hits it's stride, IMHO.
Those mats that are supposed to be coming out for WoW in the 3' x 4' size; double them up into a 4' x 6' area and...It's on! 
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Young, Rodger W., Private, 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Division (the Ohio Buckeyes); born Tiffin, Ohio, 28 April 1918; died 31 July 1943, on the island of New Georgia, Solomons, South Pacific, while singlehandedly attacking and destroying an enemy machine-gun pillbox. His platoon had been pinned down by intense fire from this pillbox; Private Young was wounded in the first burst. He crawled toward the pillbox, was wounded a second time but continued to advance, firing his rifle as he did so. He closed on the pillbox, attacked and destroyed it with hand grenades, but in so doing he was wounded a third time and killed.
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Thu, 2008 May 8, 11:33 PM (CDT)
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Kaufschtick wrote:Those mats that are supposed to be coming out for WoW in the 3' x 4' size; double them up into a 4' x 6' area and... It's on!
Can't wait for the mats. I played tonight on a 4x4 at the gaming club I belong to, it was static grass covered, and nice to play on, although perhaps rather flat.
At home I have a large felt that is the exact size of my kitchen table; someday I intend to airbrush it into a proper gaming mat.
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"On the morning of the 27 October 1918, this officer observed an enemy two-seater over the Foret de Mormal. He attacked this machine and after a short burst it broke up in the air. At the same time a Fokker biplane attacked him, and he was wounded in the right thigh, but managed, despite this, to shoot down the enemy aeroplane in flames. He then found himself in the middle of a large formation of Fokkers who attacked him from all directions, and was again severely wounded in the left thigh, but succeeded in driving down two of the enemy in a spin. He lost consciousness after that, and his machine fell out of control. On recovery, he found himself being again attacked heavily by a large formation, and singling out one machine he deliberately charged and drove it down in flames. During this fight his left elbow was shattered and he again fainted, and on regaining consciousness he found himself still being attacked, but notwithstanding that he was now severely wounded in both legs and his left arm shattered, he dived on the nearest machine and shot it down in flames. Being greatly exhausted, he dived out of the fight to regain our lines, but was met by another formation, which attacked and endeavored to cut him off, but after a hard fight he succeeded in breaking up this formation and reached our lines, where he crashed on landing. This combat, in which Major Barker destroyed four enemy machines (three of them in flames), brought his total successes to fifty enemy machines destroyed, and is a notable example of the exceptional bravery and disregard of danger which this very gallant officer has always displayed throughout his distinguished career." VC citation, London Gazette, 30 November 1918. |
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Thu, 2008 May 8, 11:40 PM (CDT)
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I still do this! I use the finest pin-vice drillbit I have found, then thread the things. I have done a small French and Royal Navy fleet. Good fun, but time intensive.
I started off that way useing .25mm and .5mm drills but ended up ringging using a non drill method that looks so much neater, although the Brisfit will require something different again, probably use the existing holes in the wings and then carefully thread and cut the wires then fill using Tamiya plastic filler and some MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) to speed up the drying time.
At home I have a large felt that is the exact size of my kitchen table; someday I intend to airbrush it into a proper gaming mat.
Thats the way to go, felt will stop the cards from sliding about so much. I was thinking of doing something similar, of course it all chews up time......
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Thu, 2008 May 8, 11:41 PM (CDT)
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Kaufschtick
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williambarkerVC wrote:Can't wait for the mats. I played tonight on a 4x4 at the gaming club I belong to, it was static grass covered, and nice to play on, although perhaps rather flat.
At home I have a large felt that is the exact size of my kitchen table; someday I intend to airbrush it into a proper gaming mat.
I keep looking at Rodger_Wilco's pictures of his WWII planes, and it just drives me nuts seeing that awsome photo he uses as a game mat! It just takes the visual aspect of the game to where a game of minis needs to be!
Half the fun of using minis is the whole "look" of the game. Video games get that, the better it looks, the better it sells.
Only with minis, you can actually reach out and touch the pieces. But still, the better it looks, the better it sells. It's the same for minis as it is for video games. The mat makes the minis look better.
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Young, Rodger W., Private, 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Division (the Ohio Buckeyes); born Tiffin, Ohio, 28 April 1918; died 31 July 1943, on the island of New Georgia, Solomons, South Pacific, while singlehandedly attacking and destroying an enemy machine-gun pillbox. His platoon had been pinned down by intense fire from this pillbox; Private Young was wounded in the first burst. He crawled toward the pillbox, was wounded a second time but continued to advance, firing his rifle as he did so. He closed on the pillbox, attacked and destroyed it with hand grenades, but in so doing he was wounded a third time and killed.
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Thu, 2008 May 8, 11:45 PM (CDT)
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Kaufschtick wrote:
I keep looking at Rodger_Wilco's pictures of his WWII planes, and it just drives me nuts seeing that awsome photo he uses as a game mat! It just takes the visual aspect of the game to where a game of minis needs to be!
Have a handy link I would love to see the pic.
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"On the morning of the 27 October 1918, this officer observed an enemy two-seater over the Foret de Mormal. He attacked this machine and after a short burst it broke up in the air. At the same time a Fokker biplane attacked him, and he was wounded in the right thigh, but managed, despite this, to shoot down the enemy aeroplane in flames. He then found himself in the middle of a large formation of Fokkers who attacked him from all directions, and was again severely wounded in the left thigh, but succeeded in driving down two of the enemy in a spin. He lost consciousness after that, and his machine fell out of control. On recovery, he found himself being again attacked heavily by a large formation, and singling out one machine he deliberately charged and drove it down in flames. During this fight his left elbow was shattered and he again fainted, and on regaining consciousness he found himself still being attacked, but notwithstanding that he was now severely wounded in both legs and his left arm shattered, he dived on the nearest machine and shot it down in flames. Being greatly exhausted, he dived out of the fight to regain our lines, but was met by another formation, which attacked and endeavored to cut him off, but after a hard fight he succeeded in breaking up this formation and reached our lines, where he crashed on landing. This combat, in which Major Barker destroyed four enemy machines (three of them in flames), brought his total successes to fifty enemy machines destroyed, and is a notable example of the exceptional bravery and disregard of danger which this very gallant officer has always displayed throughout his distinguished career." VC citation, London Gazette, 30 November 1918. |
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Thu, 2008 May 8, 11:47 PM (CDT)
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williambarkerVC wrote:
Kaufschtick wrote:
I keep looking at Rodger_Wilco's pictures of his WWII planes, and it just drives me nuts seeing that awsome photo he uses as a game mat! It just takes the visual aspect of the game to where a game of minis needs to be!
Have a handy link I would love to see the pic.
Click on the pics and commence your drooling... 
http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii174/Adspirit64/
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Young, Rodger W., Private, 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Division (the Ohio Buckeyes); born Tiffin, Ohio, 28 April 1918; died 31 July 1943, on the island of New Georgia, Solomons, South Pacific, while singlehandedly attacking and destroying an enemy machine-gun pillbox. His platoon had been pinned down by intense fire from this pillbox; Private Young was wounded in the first burst. He crawled toward the pillbox, was wounded a second time but continued to advance, firing his rifle as he did so. He closed on the pillbox, attacked and destroyed it with hand grenades, but in so doing he was wounded a third time and killed.
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Thu, 2008 May 8, 11:48 PM (CDT)
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Its funny but I find we don't use the photo map as much as you think. Most of our games are played on the kitchen table straight over the old 70's wood grain laminate. The reason being that the photo keeps rolling up all the time and we used to tape it down with masking tape, but since the roll ran out I've been to slack to remember to get some more (hmm!, Tape to go on shopping list).
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Thu, 2008 May 8, 11:53 PM (CDT)
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Kaufschtick
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Roger_Wilco wrote:Its funny but I find we don't use the photo map as much as you think.
You're killing me here...just killing me... 
I look at that on here, start drooling, and the next thing I know, my wife has the kids gathered in the kitchen telling them how "Dad's" getting older and is loosing control of his bodily functions!
Roger_Wilco wrote:Most of our games are played on the kitchen table straight over the old 70's wood grain laminate. The reason being that the photo keeps rolling up all the time and we used to tape it down with masking tape, but since the roll ran out I've been to slack to remember to get some more (hmm!, Tape to go on shopping list).
You do wire struts and you can't remember masking tape!?! Remind me to send you a case!
More pictures please! 
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Roger_Wilco
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Remind me to send you a case!
That would be a nut case I guess!
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Fri, 2008 May 9, 12:01 AM (CDT)
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Kaufschtick
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Roger_Wilco wrote:That would be a nut case I guess!
Coming from me it would be!
Here in Ohio, we call ourselves "Buckeyes". Which is a nut that grows on trees as things would have it! Don't ask me, I hear they were all drunk here when they decided on that.
The indians called it a "Buckeye" as it was a large nut (please, stop laughing), with a light colored "spot" on it that made the whole thing resemble the "eye" of a "buck", or male deer.
So yes, "nut" case it would be!
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Young, Rodger W., Private, 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Division (the Ohio Buckeyes); born Tiffin, Ohio, 28 April 1918; died 31 July 1943, on the island of New Georgia, Solomons, South Pacific, while singlehandedly attacking and destroying an enemy machine-gun pillbox. His platoon had been pinned down by intense fire from this pillbox; Private Young was wounded in the first burst. He crawled toward the pillbox, was wounded a second time but continued to advance, firing his rifle as he did so. He closed on the pillbox, attacked and destroyed it with hand grenades, but in so doing he was wounded a third time and killed.
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Fri, 2008 May 9, 12:08 AM (CDT)
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Roger_Wilco
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OK! So the US Naval plane by the same name is named after a NUT???? I often wondered about that one!
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Fri, 2008 May 9, 12:18 AM (CDT)
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Roger_Wilco wrote:OK! So the US Naval plane by the same name is named after a NUT???? I often wondered about that one!
The Navy trainer jet? Yeah, that is where it gets it's name... 
Hey, look, I told you they were all drunk when they came up with all of that ...they just had to be ...it's embarassing enough as it is... 
Do you know how tough it is to explain that to someone who's watching one of our football games...
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Young, Rodger W., Private, 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Division (the Ohio Buckeyes); born Tiffin, Ohio, 28 April 1918; died 31 July 1943, on the island of New Georgia, Solomons, South Pacific, while singlehandedly attacking and destroying an enemy machine-gun pillbox. His platoon had been pinned down by intense fire from this pillbox; Private Young was wounded in the first burst. He crawled toward the pillbox, was wounded a second time but continued to advance, firing his rifle as he did so. He closed on the pillbox, attacked and destroyed it with hand grenades, but in so doing he was wounded a third time and killed.
His bold and gallant action in the face of overwhelming odds enabled his teammates to escape without loss; he was awarded posthumously the Medal of Honor. |
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Fri, 2008 May 9, 12:24 AM (CDT)
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was it Northrop or Curtis (sorry not sure, my memory is fadeing through old age) that built the pusher fighter called the Ascender. Apparently it got its name because the pilots called it an A#$& Ender. Now I read that in a book, so it must be true.......
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Fri, 2008 May 9, 12:29 AM (CDT)
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Roger_Wilco wrote:was it Northrop or Curtis (sorry not sure, my memory is fadeing through old age) that built the pusher fighter called the Ascender. Apparently it got its name because the pilots called it an A#$& Ender. Now I read that in a book, so it must be true.......
ROFLMAO!!! LOL!!!
Gotta catch my breath here...
Caught me by suprise with that one. I don't kow, never heard of it...funny as hell, though...(still chuckling )
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Fri, 2008 May 9, 1:04 AM (CDT)
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Roger_Wilco
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Take a look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-55_Ascender
The Curtiss-Wright XP-55 Ascender (Curtiss-Wright CW-24), was a 1940s United States prototype fighter aircraft built by Curtiss. Along with the XP-54 and XP-56, it resulted from United States Army Air Corps proposal R-40C issued on 27 November 1939 calling for unconventional aircraft designs. A highly unusual design for its time, it had a canard configuration, with a pusher prop, swept wings and two vertical tails. Because of its pusher design, it was sarcastically referred to as the "Ass-ender." Like the XP-54, the Ascender was initially designed for the Pratt & Whitney X-1800 engine and had to be redesigned when that engine project was canceled. It would also be the first Curtiss fighter aircraft to use tricycle landing gear.
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Fri, 2008 May 9, 8:21 PM (CDT)
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WOW! That is outstanding.
Reading further on, re: the rolling problem, what about putting a sheet of lexan/plexi over top of it? Not too slick, super protective, and very light. You can get them cut to size at many shops.
How did you get the picture printed so large? Do you have a file to share?
WGB, VC
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"On the morning of the 27 October 1918, this officer observed an enemy two-seater over the Foret de Mormal. He attacked this machine and after a short burst it broke up in the air. At the same time a Fokker biplane attacked him, and he was wounded in the right thigh, but managed, despite this, to shoot down the enemy aeroplane in flames. He then found himself in the middle of a large formation of Fokkers who attacked him from all directions, and was again severely wounded in the left thigh, but succeeded in driving down two of the enemy in a spin. He lost consciousness after that, and his machine fell out of control. On recovery, he found himself being again attacked heavily by a large formation, and singling out one machine he deliberately charged and drove it down in flames. During this fight his left elbow was shattered and he again fainted, and on regaining consciousness he found himself still being attacked, but notwithstanding that he was now severely wounded in both legs and his left arm shattered, he dived on the nearest machine and shot it down in flames. Being greatly exhausted, he dived out of the fight to regain our lines, but was met by another formation, which attacked and endeavored to cut him off, but after a hard fight he succeeded in breaking up this formation and reached our lines, where he crashed on landing. This combat, in which Major Barker destroyed four enemy machines (three of them in flames), brought his total successes to fifty enemy machines destroyed, and is a notable example of the exceptional bravery and disregard of danger which this very gallant officer has always displayed throughout his distinguished career." VC citation, London Gazette, 30 November 1918. |
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Sat, 2008 May 10, 5:53 AM (CDT)
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Re; the 4-bladed prop on the Bristol F.2[A|B]: The Squadron/Signal book
_Bristol Fighter In Action_ has a pic of a 4-blade-prop F.2B in Palestine
in 1917. it doesn't say which engine was connected to the 4-blade, tho'.
SSP 1137; ISBN: 0897473019
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Sat, 2008 May 10, 10:55 AM (CDT)
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roger wilco... so ya know, the photo rolling up problem can be fixed an a local frame shop
there are two options that I use regularly. You can have it drymounted to foam core (the permament sort not archival mount) Or you can get a piece of reflection control plexiglass to place over your print.
The drymount to foam core is sorta difficult to store.(big flat and unfoldable) and can start to warp if stored incorrectly.(leaned agaist a wall) but would be the cheapest opition. 
You could have it drymounted to gator board wich will not warp. but many frameshops nowadays don't know what gator board is... and it's more expensive than foam core. 
The plex option is good cause if you are like me, and have several diffirent paper maps you use for games. It becomes usefull for any of those. (initially the most expensive but in the long run most versitile option) 
I recommend nonglare or reflection contol (two words one product,) Cause I have some standard plex "star maps" I made and you also see each other, and the lights in the ceiling as well as the painting I did underneath. An little distracting also the reflection control plex will require less cleaning (it shows minor surface bemishes less than clear.) Also Don't let em sell you OP-3 or museum. OP-3 is an conservation class plex, and museum is bloody terrible delicate as well as expensive. (cost on an 40X60 sheet is 450$ )
All of the above options should not cost more than 40 some odd dollars and you solve the problem with out Masking tape... Shudder.... 
Edit: Sorry williambarkerVC missed your post did not mean to cover ground you had touched on....
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Sun, 2008 May 11, 9:57 PM (CDT)
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While the actual Buckeye is a nut that is poisonous to eat, at least they made a candy Buckeye using chocolate and peanut butter! I am loving this thread by the way
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Sun, 2008 May 11, 10:01 PM (CDT)
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kirkoa wrote:While the actual Buckeye is a nut that is poisonous to eat, at least they made a candy Buckeye using chocolate and peanut butter! I am loving this thread by the way
Another Buckeye!! Welcome aboard!
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Young, Rodger W., Private, 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Division (the Ohio Buckeyes); born Tiffin, Ohio, 28 April 1918; died 31 July 1943, on the island of New Georgia, Solomons, South Pacific, while singlehandedly attacking and destroying an enemy machine-gun pillbox. His platoon had been pinned down by intense fire from this pillbox; Private Young was wounded in the first burst. He crawled toward the pillbox, was wounded a second time but continued to advance, firing his rifle as he did so. He closed on the pillbox, attacked and destroyed it with hand grenades, but in so doing he was wounded a third time and killed.
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Sun, 2008 May 11, 10:03 PM (CDT)
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as far as the pic mat goes, I was thinking the same as hgraves...maybe get some foam board and spray glue...
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Sun, 2008 May 11, 10:06 PM (CDT)
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Kaufschtick wrote:
kirkoa wrote:While the actual Buckeye is a nut that is poisonous to eat, at least they made a candy Buckeye using chocolate and peanut butter! I am loving this thread by the way
Another Buckeye!! Welcome aboard!
Thanks partner! Maybe I'll be seeing you at a convention or something to take some pot shots at ya!
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Sun, 2008 May 11, 10:34 PM (CDT)
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kirkoa wrote:Thanks partner! Maybe I'll be seeing you at a convention or something to take some pot shots at ya!
What WoW plane do like to "fly" the most? 
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Young, Rodger W., Private, 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Division (the Ohio Buckeyes); born Tiffin, Ohio, 28 April 1918; died 31 July 1943, on the island of New Georgia, Solomons, South Pacific, while singlehandedly attacking and destroying an enemy machine-gun pillbox. His platoon had been pinned down by intense fire from this pillbox; Private Young was wounded in the first burst. He crawled toward the pillbox, was wounded a second time but continued to advance, firing his rifle as he did so. He closed on the pillbox, attacked and destroyed it with hand grenades, but in so doing he was wounded a third time and killed.
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Mon, 2008 May 12, 11:58 PM (CDT)
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Kaufschtick wrote:
kirkoa wrote:Thanks partner! Maybe I'll be seeing you at a convention or something to take some pot shots at ya!
What WoW plane do like to "fly" the most?
well....with the ones out now I would have to say the Dr1. I do have a soft spot for the early war planes, and cant wait for the Immelman booster pack to come out. Of course, they wont stand up to a Sopwith Camel
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Tue, 2008 May 13, 12:08 AM (CDT)
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Thanks for the info and help guys regarding holding the map down.
The photo was acquired from my state governments aerial survey photo digital map base when I worked for the cadastral survey branch. It was a massive file and the plotter only just coped with printing it out at the time. I had to keep trimming data from the file until it could fit in the printer buffers. I printed it out and laminated it over 10 years ago, so there is no file to share sorry, but it was in the order of about 180+ MB in size, can't say there was much in the way of equipment available at the time to store it on anyway.
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