Imagine if you will a Moritat with either a Archotech or Eldar Shuriken Catapult, the Hyper-Velosity Mono-Blade Luanchers would be right their alley (what with the Bladed Weapons only ristriction), now just got to come up with a cool name for the Eleite Advance Package and the skills & Tallents to include after Exoitc Weapon Training (Shuriken Catapult).

I thought most imperial death cults were anti xenos including equipment & weapons.

Hence why they would prefer Archotech (Pre-Heresy or Pre-Imperial Human) Shuriken Catapults but would settlel for Xeno if no "Holy Relic Technolodgy" was avalible.

Kicking arounf Fluff & Stats for Archotech and Reproduction Shuriken Catapults

Fluff: Shuriken Catapults of both ainchent and modern human construction use a configuration little or if ever used by Eldar weaponsmiths in the modern era. insted of using Graverty Acclerators in the body of the weapon to propell a compact solid core projectile that also alows the Xenos to craft a much more compact and easer to handle weapon, Imperial weapons use a pair of distinctive Polar Fins well foward of the weapon to cerate a Magnetic Vortex Gravitic Reaction to propell it's Mono-Molecular cuting edege disks, this pattern alows for higher velosities afording better range, Penetration and Damage potenchial compared to a Graverty Acclerators patern of a similer Technology level but at the expence of rate of fire. Most huma made Shuriken Catapults place their Fins on a horosntal plane but some far less common veriants insted opt to arange them on a vertical plane. It should be noted Eldar Shuriken Catapult Technology is far advanced even to even Archotech Shuriken Catapult Technolodgy alowing them to make up for any compromises made by using Graverty Acclerator model layout.

The very few places in the Imperim that today produce Shuriken Catapults are far removed and highily isolated from the Calixis sector making them as dificalt to aquiere as Xenos modles.

Archotech Shuriken Catapult: Basic  100m   S/3/5   1D10+4R   6   30   2Full   Reliable, Tearing     5kg   9,000-15,000+   Near Unique

Reproduction Shuriken Catapult: Basic   80m  S/3/5  1D10+4R  4  30   2Full   Tearing     5-6kg   1,500-2,000    Very Rare

Ammo: 150/Clip  Scarce

BTW started a Rules development topic up in "House Rules" post anything overly crunchy up there please and go fluff & philosphy down hear.

Thanks DB 2.0

To be honest, it sounds kind of cheesy to me.

I always felt the thematic thing was that the Moritat don't use guns, or really anything fancier than a crossbow; that they intentionally forsake the use of advanced weaponry. To come up with some "gun" and claim the Moritat can use it without penalty because of the type of ammunition it fires just seems kinda silly.

Also, I don't have my IH with me, but is the talent the Moritat get vague enough in its description that any weapon with Tearing gets the bonus? If so, you're not helping your case here by giving this weapon Tearing. It comes off as an attempt to game the system.

Fortunately, the weapon itself sounds fine and certainly interesting/Balanced given its cost. I just wouldn't hand it to a Moritat Assassin and say "Have fun."

IMO Moritats shouldnt benefit from the bloody edge when using such a weapon.
They know how to work a blade of any kind in close combat, and how it all works and feels.
There is no work or feeling to launching a sharp piece of metal, also the whole disdain for modern weapons and the lack of spiritual feel goes out the window with such a weapon, no matter how ancient it is. Its still a technological marvel, and hence, not really up their alley.

The weapon itself is quite alright tho. Very nice little gem for people that can work it out, and are prepared to answer alot of questions about it all the time ;)

A Butcher that knows how to slice a deer is not a good huntsman that knows where to aim with a rifle just because he is a butcher.

all the starnded combat advances I want to put on the list for the elite package are alredy in preivous ranks for Assassins.

I've got a "Rapid Fire" tallant worked out, I want to add it to the list of Guardsman rank 5 advances and the Proctor (Arbitrator Rank 6) advances as well as to this elite package.

in other news I've got a bunch of Fluff worked out for the package and a name "Moritat Reaver", it will be a Rank 7+ Elite Advancment Package with many pre-requsites and it has it's own exclusive Tallant called "The Reaving"

Do you need a rapid fire talent when guns come with full auto or semi? But play test it up at tell me how it goes. 

Plus please explain what the talent would roughly entail.

Also, shouldn't he always need to get the willpower test to use the weapon?

And becouse he purposefully pursues non-moritat means of combat, shouldn't he be banned of getting into the moritat reaper prestige rank?

Rapid Fire: As a Full Action you can fire your Basic or Pistol weapon as many times as it's Semi-Auto burst number, but you make each shot at -5WS for each shot you choise to take you are free to choise targets for each shot as if making a normal attack.

As to the WP roll, I don't see why they would need to make one, after all the projectial is bladed just like a Knife, Throwing Star, Arrow or X-Bow Bolt. and as to the baning well the fluff I'm working on will make the Reavers the Cults Enforcers, the Assassins they send after "Naughty" Assassins. Three ways to get in to the Reavers once your invited that is, 1) Without outside asstance huntdown someone slse who has a Shuriken Catapult Kill them and take it, 2) be sent to huntdown and kill a Rogue Reaper or 3) Extermnate to the Last a Rogue Cell.

Reavers art the Morirat Boggy Man, what Momy and Dady Moritat use to scare their children "Be a Good little Psyco-Killer or the Elders will send a Reaver to get you!", odvousaly the Masters will deny that the Reavers exist when you ask but they will go very quite after and train you twise as hard. they are a Cult within a Cult, Your Perent, Your Lover, Your Master, Your Child could secretly be a Reaver, Hell with Hypno-Domnasion you could be a Reaver and just not know it.

I guess you meant -5 bs rather than ws, I'm still not sure about the talent though, maybe if the other target was within 5m of original target but otherwise 6 seconds aka a full turn is tough to aim and shoot at multiple people in random directions or miles away from one another.

ps there's a passage somewhere about the moriate death mother (boss/cult leader) or something, sure it said she goes out and blaps any naughty moriats, might be in IH OR BoM.

Oops I did mean BS not WS, I'm ment to be GMing ATM and am posting during our brakes.

a moritat using a gun… right… oh it fires blades… sure…  O.o

cmon man. if you are selectively reading the moritat's fluff, go ahead and do it. but i hope your assassin runs into a squad of moritat that heard you have eschewed their teachings.

Do'nt wory, we fguired ot waht yu wer saing, DB.20