A beginner's box set is an introduction to an RPG and will never include a comprehensive character creation. The purpose is to familiarize players with the game with an expectation of advancing from there. There are two ways for a beginner's box set to deal with characters…either as FFG has done, provide pre-generated characters so you get a feel for what sort of characters can be created and focus on basic rule familiarity to actually play, or provide a light set of rules so you can create any character within a very narrow confine. In either case, you will need to buy the more extensive rule set to advance your character with the big problem of facing the need to completely rebuild your character once you discover the other options available. …. As far as "I will never use the box set again" statement goes… 1. Dice are always going to be used. 2. The Maps (at least the starship) are likely to find multiple uses. 3. Pre-generated characters can be used as back-up characters, ongoing characters or (shock/horror) non player characters either as is or modified. 4. The counters…I myself am less likely to use these as I prefer other options, but for some, these seem reasonably handy. The only things left is the adventure due to the lead by the nose aspect though may be useful for some cannibalization perhaps…and the basic rulebook. Both of which can be used to bring new gamers on board with. All told…reasonably useful while waiting for the core book. As it is, the custom dice/rules mechanic is sufficiently different to other games that the focus on how things work as compared to character creation is sensible. The Beginner's Box is as described. The crunchy goodness of the game proper is next…along with the Gm kit and if need be, extra dice. Yummy.

Necrotic said:

 

And, as stated about three times so far, if I had realiused that, I would never have ordered it in the first place. That is really all I have ever said, that I did not realise that this box set was a Glorified Quick Starter, and not a full Role Playing Game.

 

Alas, Caveat Emptor.

Caveat Emptor doesn't work in this instance because there was nothing vague or misleading about the box contents. This is more of just a lesson to pay attention before you do anything in general.

 

The Star Wars: Edge of the Empire Beginner Game description actually answers the questions What is the Star Wars: Edge of the Empire Beginner Game, and for whom is it intended? and How will this product differ from the Edge of the Empire Core Rulebook?

Did the OP do no research on this? A game that interests you and you just buy it sight unseen? In the September release it clearly states that the beginners set includes an "abridged and simplified ruleset". November's articles break down what is included in the box set, including stating that they are abridged rules. And December's articles go further into detail. Were all these missed?

And the point of my post that you ignored in favour of your "Caveat Emptor" statement is that the parts found in the box are useful.

 

(Though my formating sucked due to posting via mobile at the time)

 

I for one see a lot of future usage if I can get a group together having been out of the RPG side of things since D&D 4th ed launched which pretty much killed our group way back then. Looking forward to getting things back up and running.

 

The core book, at 440+ pages will be a nice addition to the beginners set, as will an extra set of dice or two

….it's description includes….

"For example, compared to the Edge of the Empire Core Rulebook, the Beginner Game’s rulebook lacks a section on character creation."

Post #1 morning of January 19th:

Rimmer1 said:

Post #3 evening of Januray 19th:

Rimmer1 said:

Note Rimmer says, "I WILL only have the complete game IF I wait for the "Core" book". At 21:18 hours he appears to still not have purchased the game, but I suppose he could have meant something else.

Post #7 Still Jaunuary 19th at 22:48 hours (1 hour and a half later):

aljovin said:

Post #8 January 19th at 22:56 hours:

Rimmer1 said:

So, you asked questions about the difference in the games, got responses within the same date telling you there was no character generation.  Then you supposedly ordered it sometime within the same day, but are still pissed there is no character generation?? Did you not read the responses you asked for and got quickly? Or did you ask for details then run out and order it without waiting to see the responses the exact same day? Either it's your own fault for not waiting a few hours (at most) to see the answers to your own questions or you are being dishonest about when/if you actually ordered it. If, contrary to what your posts suggest, you had already ordered it without bothering to read FFG statements of what you would be getting, then that's just your own fault.

I imagine if he found the forums, he is able to have found the articles on the Beginner Box. That being said, he could also type Star Wars: Edge of the Empire Beginner Box reviews into Google and got information that way too. Or maybe he just needed clarity because he found those avenues weren't informative enough.

Just realistically, when's the last time you paid $30 for a "complete RPG" + Adventure + dice + bobbins/markers/tokens?  

And then when's the last time you got all that from a major publisher for $30?

Even the MSRP on Sage Edition was $39.95, and that was published in 2007.

-WJL

Donovan Morningfire said:

I don't know how accurate this is.  If you mean the 1983 D&D Red Box that had a full rule set, I think FFG's Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Core Game product is very similar being a complete RPG straight out of the box.  It was published in late 2009, and has a $100 MSRP (about $45 in 1983 according to this inflation calculator)

And if you mean the 2010 D&D Red Box, then yes. Beginner's Box is quite similar to that one, and so the format hasn't really died out.

It would be nice to see more of the "Complete Box Products" though, so long as the game is still made accessible for less money to people who don't want or need all the bits and pieces.

-WJL

Sturn said:

 

If you had bothered to read my posts, and not simply cherry pick my comments in some obtuse way in order to make me look bad, you would have realised the following.

1. Ordered Box

2. Went online afterwards and realised new "Core" book was coming

3. Original post asking for clarification.

4. Clarification

5. Had already ordered book from FLGS, so completed the purchase as agreed.

 

Jesus. These boards are sounding like 4Chan.

mouthymerc said:

 

Actually, I found out about a new Star Wars RPG, geeked out a bit, sent a quick email to my FLGS, and only then started doing some reasearch.

 

As I said, Caveat Emptor

 

Or if you know the latin for "Buyer do more reasearch" I'll use that instead.

Necrotic said:

 

The only parts I will use in future, or ever, are the Dice, YT-1300 Map and possibly the box. Everything else will never again see the light of day.

Rimmer1 said:

 

So the reason for your problem was………

Sturn said:

 

Not FFG's fault. It appears you created your own problem then wished to blame the faultless game company for it when whining on their forum. 

Are you going to purchase a Can-Am Spyder next week without researching what it is then go to their website and complain that it is missing a 4th wheel?

Yes I think "buyer do more research" is definitely more apt. Had you done even a little you could have avoided this. Ah well, live and learn eh?