boardgamegeek.com/thread/863073/adam-sez-thread-potentially-official-not-yet-faq

I haven't seen a ruling on dual Shadow Dragons.  I would say only one surge is needed -- either you're shadowed, or you're not -- but FFG might rule otherwise.  Maybe only one eye is afflicted at a time …

 In that  page I notice that:

"If an ability allows you to inflict a condition on a figure that is not the target of the attack (Shield Slam), are you still required to inflict at least one damage on the target figure in order for the condition to apply to the other figure?

Adam wrote:
Shield slam does not require you to deal damage to the target."

So if you deal 5 damage and stun (with that ability) and de defender gets 5 shields, you can stun he, BUT if the attack miss (X, distance or shadow) all results are ignored so you cant use the surge to stun…that is my opinion.

About the 2 shadows…I think it is dificult to see with one shadow…so you need a surge to not miss, and in there was 2 shadows…there will be more dificult to see…so maybe you will need 2 surges…In the rulebook says that a hero cant be affected by 2 conditions…but this ability isnt a condition so…

 I wrote a mail to adam sadler with the questions…when he answer I will put it here 

Check that thread again.  As I understand it "X" and "miss" are not the same.  Hopefully the next FAQ will make it clearer.

If you roll an "X" two things happen: (1) you miss & deal no damage, and (2) all results on other dice are ignored.

If you don't roll enough range (including melee vs. Stealthy), or don't spend a surge against Shadow or Unseen, you miss & deal no damage.  You can still use surges to increase range or recover fatigue or trigger non-damage abilities. 

Shield Slam does not require you to hit (damage) the target of the original attack, so I think it would allow you to Stun an adjacent figure even when Shadowed.

 I understand your point of view, but it seems so absurd to atack someone, cant hurt him but stun, or move 1 space…I dont think that I will play like that…at least until a formal response.  (in that post there are most people that think the OL in the first question have reason so…)

In any case thanks for answer, I hope more people could answer the question about 2 dragons with shadow…

 like I said, descent isn't a game that makes logical sense :)

My opinions are based off of rulings in 1e where they clarified the difference between an "x" and any other kind of miss.  I'm really interested to hear what the ruling for 2e is.

As far as the shadow dragon, I'd have to see the actual wording on the card.  If the only prerequisite is to be adjacent, then I'd say both affect the hero

Triu said:

This does indeed appear to be the case, per RAW.  I also agree that I would like this to be clarified in the FAQ, because a number of the answers Adam has supposedly provided in that BGG thread are potentially contradictory depending on how it susses out.

< house rules >

In my personal opinion, the definition of "miss" should be "this attack ends with no effect and all further results on the dice are ignored."  I would also say that rolling an X and missing due to range are both "misses" along with any ability that makes an attack "miss." 

The Shadow Dragon ability would be better worded something along the lines of "Any attack that targets this figure is treated as having one fewer Surge.  If it has no Surges, the attack is a miss."

An attack that fails to deal damage is not a miss, but the rule about needing to deal at least one point of damage to apply a condition must still be observed.

Of course, none of this is what the rules actually say.  It's entirely house rules territory.

< /house rules >

Edit: Looks like HTML escaping fails too.  Oh well.

I also would like to see some clarifications about the "miss" and "surge" issues.

I apply things the following way:

- If the combat die is an "X", it is an absolute miss : no attack effect or surges may be applied (EXC Tahra can choose to reroll the blue die as per her hero special ability)

- When making a ranged attack, range must be rolled to apply any other attack effect or surges (EXC: Range augmenting surges can of course be spent)

- When making an attack, even if no damage is scored (e.g. due to good defense die roll), surge and other attack effects can apply (if the attack is not an "X" miss or an "unsufficient range" miss).
Of course, some effects are explicitly linked to damage caused : those would not apply if no damage is caused.

Do you think I got things right?

 and what about shadow?

I am agree with you but I admit players to spend surges to get fatigue if no range or in a miss like shadow…I hope Adam put some light here…xD

Varikas said:

That should be correct, per RAW.  Keep in mind that the ability to spend a Surge on gaining fatigue, like any other surge ability, can only be done once per attack, though.