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Cards that don't look amazing but are
Published on 18 January 2013 - 15:53:55
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Reply #16 | Published on 20 January 2013 - 18:16:10

Repair Droid is a card that to me looks like crap but has actually come in very handy in many games.  Its ability to fix your ships is huge to get around Heat of Battles, etc.  Often an opponent will want to combo Heat of Battle with winning an edge battle and striking first to destroy one of your key units, but Repair Droid can throw a big wrench into plans.  Not to mention he only costs one and has a force icon so he can control the force at times too.

Crossfire might not exactly fit this category as it does look like a good card, but I think it is worth mentioning as such a great utility card that can come in handy in any situation.

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Reply #17 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 00:57:34

agnos said:

Xenu's Paradox said:

 

It Binds All Things is borderline broken. It's the linchpin of the game's first infinite combo, and while said combo is extremely difficult to pull off, requiring 5 cards, it speaks to the potential of IBAT to fuel all kinds of crazy shenanigans. I wouldn't be surprised if FFG had to errata it at some point to remove the ability to fetch more than one card.

 

 

Requiring 5 cards?  Only requires 3: 2 IBAT and 1 useful event (Jedi Mind Trick, Swindled, Rebel Assault, etc.).  The problem of said combo is that if you don't already have board control or close to it, then it's just a huge resource sink where you don't really get to see many new cards to advance board state.  

An infinite combo, by definition, has to be capable of going through an arbitrary number of iterations in succession. So without a way to refresh all your cards (like Leia + Rescue Mission), you've got a combo that can be repeated, but not an infinite combo.

One does not simply warg into Hodor.

Reply #18 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 05:59:38
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It Binds All Things is borderline broken. It's the linchpin of the game's first infinite combo, and while said combo is extremely difficult to pull off, requiring 5 cards, it speaks to the potential of IBAT to fuel all kinds of crazy shenanigans. I wouldn't be surprised if FFG had to errata it at some point to remove the ability to fetch more than one card.

 

IBAT with a cost of 1 can't be infinite.

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Reply #19 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 11:50:13

Tangen said:

Unknown said:

 

It Binds All Things is borderline broken. It's the linchpin of the game's first infinite combo, and while said combo is extremely difficult to pull off, requiring 5 cards, it speaks to the potential of IBAT to fuel all kinds of crazy shenanigans. I wouldn't be surprised if FFG had to errata it at some point to remove the ability to fetch more than one card.

 

 

 

IBAT with a cost of 1 can't be infinite.

Unless you have a way of refreshing resources. Currently, the combo is Leia + 2x IBAT + Rescue Mission + any event that removes Leia from play. However, FFG now has to be very careful about introducing LS effects that refresh resources, because such a card could conceivably reduce the complexity of the combo. For instance, an event that allows you to refresh multiple enhancements could replace Leia, Rescue Mission, and the removal event, dropping the combo down to 3 cards.

One does not simply warg into Hodor.

Reply #20 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 12:10:31

The easiest way to solve this is to disallow re-drawing discarded cards which allow re-drawing cards. IBAT could be re-ruled as to be eliminated from the game after being played.

Geki… what else?

Reply #21 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 14:48:24
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agnos said:

Xenu's Paradox said:

 

It Binds All Things is borderline broken. It's the linchpin of the game's first infinite combo, and while said combo is extremely difficult to pull off, requiring 5 cards, it speaks to the potential of IBAT to fuel all kinds of crazy shenanigans. I wouldn't be surprised if FFG had to errata it at some point to remove the ability to fetch more than one card.

 

 

Requiring 5 cards?  Only requires 3: 2 IBAT and 1 useful event (Jedi Mind Trick, Swindled, Rebel Assault, etc.).  The problem of said combo is that if you don't already have board control or close to it, then it's just a huge resource sink where you don't really get to see many new cards to advance board state.  

The definition Paradox is using for infinite combo is a loop that can be repeated an arbitrarily large number of times in a single turn. In order to do that, you need Leia Organa, both It Binds All Things, Rescue Mission, and You're My Only Hope. With those cards you may repeat the cycle until you run out of cards in your command deck.

That being said, I think It Binds All Things is a very good card, but not a broken one. In fact, I'd hesitate to say that any card in the game so far is broken.

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Reply #22 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 16:02:33
Reply #23 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 16:31:17
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Xenu's Paradox said:

Unless you have a way of refreshing resources. Currently, the combo is Leia + 2x IBAT + Rescue Mission + any event that removes Leia from play. However, FFG now has to be very careful about introducing LS effects that refresh resources, because such a card could conceivably reduce the complexity of the combo. For instance, an event that allows you to refresh multiple enhancements could replace Leia, Rescue Mission, and the removal event, dropping the combo down to 3 cards.

Fair enough.  Granted I'm not sure this 5 card combo can actually win you the game even if you are able to generate infinite resources.  Presumably you would have to be able to do 12 damage ( getting 3 unopposed bonus).  The combo so far requires pod 7 x2, pod 10 x2 and pod 16 x2.  Pod 7 gives you 8 blast icons; Pod 10 gives you 4 blast icons; Pod 16 gives you 0 blast icons.  So theoretically, you can use the combo with You're My Only Hope to draw your whole deck.  I think the combo can be disrupted with 1 Force Choke however as at some point you have to be playing cards out.  One It's Worse also negates Leia's trigger which can prevent it from going off in the mean time.  Plus the combo is so unlikely to get all the pieces at once that it's not worth playing.  But as you say, if FFG makes more ways to draw cards or refresh then it could be quite possible.

Reply #24 | Published on 21 January 2013 - 19:13:49

Requiring so many cards, and having many ways in which the (infinite) combo can be disrupted (or shut down entirely) such as; Dark side destroys units that give resources (mon mothma, r2), or already has a captured character = 50% chance it ends when you dont get leia back (if they're low on resources) (Dark side can use detained or boba fet to get a second capture in combat…).

The Dark side could also remove any LS card on the board because IBAT must target the top two cards or it could use interrogation to remove one of the IBAT's from hand or just use "it's worse" to counter.  Most of these cards are sith… so this will be harder for the Navy to stop - given the current card pool.

I think this combo will be a nasty surprise for any that don't expect it - but, competative players are going to know about it - and have the information of if that combo has a chance of showing up well before hand, due to the information revealed about what's in play. It will be very hard for light side to both set up, and protect the combo.

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Reply #25 | Published on 22 January 2013 - 09:13:24
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Kordos said:

 

Heart of the Empire

Doesn't look all that great, if you lose it you lose the game  

but you are the Empire, time is on your side - build a deck around it and lull that filthy Rebel into your trap

 

plus 3 resources right off the bat - get those powerful Sith units out early in the game 

Home One and Red Five rape this objective. Be careful. Two turns (with some help from a Y-wing/X-Wing) and it's game over man!

Reply #26 | Published on 22 January 2013 - 09:15:05
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cooleo1c said:

This is perhaps the worst card in the entire Core Set………

The Imperial Pilot changes into an enhancement, but the Rebel pilot gets…..nothing?

 

Reply #27 | Published on 22 January 2013 - 11:31:18

jss_hobbie said:

Kordos said:

 

 

Heart of the Empire

Doesn't look all that great, if you lose it you lose the game  

but you are the Empire, time is on your side - build a deck around it and lull that filthy Rebel into your trap

 

plus 3 resources right off the bat - get those powerful Sith units out early in the game 

 

 

Home One and Red Five rape this objective. Be careful. Two turns (with some help from a Y-wing/X-Wing) and it's game over man!

Good thing the pod comes with the two absolute best defensive cards in the game (Coruscant Defense Fleet and There Is No Escape).

One does not simply warg into Hodor.

Reply #28 | Published on 22 January 2013 - 12:56:33
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agnos said:

Xenu's Paradox said:

Unless you have a way of refreshing resources. Currently, the combo is Leia + 2x IBAT + Rescue Mission + any event that removes Leia from play. However, FFG now has to be very careful about introducing LS effects that refresh resources, because such a card could conceivably reduce the complexity of the combo. For instance, an event that allows you to refresh multiple enhancements could replace Leia, Rescue Mission, and the removal event, dropping the combo down to 3 cards.

 

 

 

Fair enough.  Granted I'm not sure this 5 card combo can actually win you the game even if you are able to generate infinite resources.  Presumably you would have to be able to do 12 damage ( getting 3 unopposed bonus).  The combo so far requires pod 7 x2, pod 10 x2 and pod 16 x2.  Pod 7 gives you 8 blast icons; Pod 10 gives you 4 blast icons; Pod 16 gives you 0 blast icons.  So theoretically, you can use the combo with You're My Only Hope to draw your whole deck.  I think the combo can be disrupted with 1 Force Choke however as at some point you have to be playing cards out.  One It's Worse also negates Leia's trigger which can prevent it from going off in the mean time.  Plus the combo is so unlikely to get all the pieces at once that it's not worth playing.  But as you say, if FFG makes more ways to draw cards or refresh then it could be quite possible.

Don't forget that You're My Only Hope also forces the Dark Side player to discard a card each time it's used, so unless your opponent is running Looking for Droids and has It's Worse in hand, your combo is very difficult to disrupt. Additionally, you have the ability to clear the board with Heavy Blaster Emplacement, or if you'd rather have more blast damage since you'll win every edge battle anyways, you could use 2x The Rebel Fleet and 2x The Defense of Yavin 4 as your last 4 objectives.

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Reply #29 | Published on 22 January 2013 - 14:12:34

jss_hobbie said:

cooleo1c said:

 

 

 

This is perhaps the worst card in the entire Core Set………

The Imperial Pilot changes into an enhancement, but the Rebel pilot gets…..nothing?

 

Well I think he has good flavor text

Reply #30 | Published on 22 January 2013 - 15:36:11

cooleo1c said:

jss_hobbie said:

 

cooleo1c said:

 

 

 

This is perhaps the worst card in the entire Core Set………

The Imperial Pilot changes into an enhancement, but the Rebel pilot gets…..nothing?

 

 

Well I think he has good flavor text

 

That's true. With that flavor text, making him an actually useful card would have been obscenely broken.

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