So, for the record:

If at stage 1 you happen to reveal troll purse, it's effect won't resolve. But why would you have to reveal an extra card? I can't find that in the rulebook.

Still a pretty f'n hard encounter imo. If you're unlucky and draw specific cards during setup, you might get doomed 4. :p

Hi Guys,

I played this quest last night with some success. However we had a situation that we were not 100% clear on and are hoping someone might have an answer…..

We had two of the trolls engaged with us (Tom and Bert if I remember correctly). The troll Tom had the shadow card dealt to him revealed as the Troll Key.

The troll key has the card effect: "If Troll Key is discarded, resolve its "When Revealed" effect if able. When Revealed: Attach to a Troll enemy. Response: After attached Troll enemy takes damage as the result of an attack, the first player may exhaust Bilbo Baggins to claim this objective and attach it to him."

Obviously we ignore the "When revealed" effect as it was dealt as a shadow card. The confusion came over the response part…. As "Shadow cards remain on the enemy to which they were dealt throughout the combat phase. If that enemy leaves play, discard its shadow card from play. At the end of the combat phase, discard all shadow cards that were dealt this round." (page 20 core rules).

In the combat phase Legolas attacked and damaged the troll Tom (but not killed, so he stayed in play). And as the troll key states "After attached Troll enemy takes damage as the result of an attack, the first player may exhaust Bilbo Baggins to claim this objective and attach it to him." And as the troll key is still in play because you only discard shadow effects at the end of the combat phase, can we exhaust Bilbo to claim the objective even though it was dealt as a shadow effect?

Many Thanks,

Lee

Chaos101 said:

You also ignore card effects if it is dealt as a shadow card.
So you may not trigger it's response, because only "shadow" part of the card is in effect, nothing else.

Thanks Ellareth.

But playing Devil's advocate, if the troll key is discarded the "when revealed" effect occurs….

So after it is discarded as a shadow card, can we not then initiate the "when revealed" effect and attach it to a troll?

Whether or not there is a shadow effect on the card, it is still being discarded. The core rules do say "discard" when mentioning shadow cards at the end of combat. Hence the troll ley is being discarded.

As I say, I'm playing Devil's advocate, but you can see how this can be interpreted either way.

Lee

Just found this in the FAQ:

Q: What happens to Banks of the Anduin (CORE 113) if it is drawn as a Shadow card?

I don't know how you guys beat this one.  I was very excited about the Hobbit quests, but I couldn't ever get past the first quest, so I didn't go on to the next two for sake of the story.  But now that Caleb said that the player cards were all designed and then sorted, I'm hoping that the cards in On the Doorstep (NEXT WEEK!!!) will help my chances. 

peacott said:

Just to add, you still get to attach Key or Purse to troll if it is in staging area when you discard it from the encounter deck as effect of quest card.

Shadow cards are just 'weird' in a way it ignores all other text except for shadow effects,
and shadow effects are ignored in all other situations except if it is dealt as shadow card (or other card effect specifically refers to it)

Ellareth said:

This runs counter to the way most people say they've played this scenario.  It sounds like you are putting the Purse/Key in the staging area if they are revealed during 1B, then attaching them to the Trolls when they come out in 2B.  I think most others on this forums simply discard the Purse/Key if they are revealed during 1B.

I don't know if there is an official ruling supporting either play.  Thoughts?

GrandSpleen said:

Sorry for being unclear,

in stage 1B, if troll key or purse is revealed you discard it.

What I meant is if you discard troll key or purse in stage 2B as effect of quest card you get to attach it to the troll. (by quest card I meant 2B, not 1B)