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John24 said:
Rant said:
Not all Space Marines are brain wiped. Actually MOST aren't. I think the Grey Knights are the only ones that do it as an all the time practice but I could be wrong on that.
As I understand it, yes the Grey Knights are the only Space Marines to get brainwiped. Mind, the Brain wiping is voluntary, if you get invited to join the grey knights you have to go thru it, not sure what happens if you refuse the wipe, but I'm pretty sure you can refuse. The Grey Knights get brain wiped at the start of their training because they deal directly with Chaos and Demons, and anything from their pasts can feasably be used against them. So to prevent the Demons and Chaos in general from tempting them / using their pasts for psycological warfare the Grey Knights basically erase their own pasts.
At least thats how I understood it from the explanation given in the Grey Knights novels.
You don't get "invited" to join the Grey Knights, they are an entire chapter in their own right with their own geneseed and the like.
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Before the indication that the grey knight geneseed was a product of traitor geneseed from those that remained loyal, my pet theory was that they were in fact a successor chapter to the Custodes. The custodes couldn't relinquish their role as guardians of the Emperor, but they still wished to fight to protect His domains. They created the grey knights for this purpose.
I also like to think that the custodes send their recruits on decades long crusades to weed out the weakest until only the strongest, battle hardened individuals remain. Thus you don't get the impression that the custodes haven't actually fought anything for the last 10,000 years.
Anyway, that's OTT.
In the original background a space marine was a psychologically brain washed criminal (hence why the Terran Marines are like that).
They can be roleplayed but the areas they will actually be required to do that are going to be very specific.
Hellebore
Humanity's Insignificance pales in comparison to its Ego. Sir Rumplestiltskin
The capacity to think does not assign importance to your thoughts, it merely indicates you can. Sir Rumplestiltskin
MILLANDSON said:
You don't get "invited" to join the Grey Knights, they are an entire chapter in their own right with their own geneseed and the like.
Ahh, thanks I had forgotten that, it's been awhile since I'd read the books. Next time I'll be sure to do some more research before I post.
J24
Hellebore said:
Before the indication that the grey knight geneseed was a product of traitor geneseed from those that remained loyal, my pet theory was that they were in fact a successor chapter to the Custodes. The Custodes couldn't relinquish their role as guardians of the Emperor, but they still wished to fight to protect His domains. They created the grey knights for this purpose.
I also like to think that the Custodes send their recruits on decades long crusades to weed out the weakest until only the strongest, battle hardened individuals remain. Thus you don't get the impression that the Custodes haven't actually fought anything for the last 10,000 years.
Anyway, that's OTT.
In the original background a space marine was a psychologically brain washed criminal (hence why the Terran Marines are like that).
They can be roleplayed but the areas they will actually be required to do that are going to be very specific.
Hellebore
Honestly, that new development with Garro and the Half-Heard is why "Flight of the Eisenstein" is one of my favorite Horus Heresy books to date. It's right up there with "Legion" and "Descent of Angels".
The original background for Space Marines, if you'll recall, was a ripoff of the Sardukar from Frank Herbert's "Dune" novels. Heck, I think they mentioned that Arrakeen Prime was one of the "primary training worlds of the Imperial Space Marines" at some point in a White Dwarf back in the day.
Faith is an armour harder than any metal, but more delicate than any flower.
I don't mind the idea necessarily, but I liked that my theory geled with the idea that the grey knights are just better than other marines. Because custodes are better than other marines.
But that idea isn't bad per se. I would have liked it better if they'd had representation from all the traitor legions, rather than some death guard and one Luna Wolf.
Hellebore
Humanity's Insignificance pales in comparison to its Ego. Sir Rumplestiltskin
The capacity to think does not assign importance to your thoughts, it merely indicates you can. Sir Rumplestiltskin
True, but from the way Malcador spoke of it it seemed like he was gathering the Loyalist Death Guard, Luna Wolves, Emperor's Children, etc all into the fold and preparing for something *big*.
My theory of late is that the Grey Knights will be made from a unique blending of Luna Wolf, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, and Dark Angels gene-seed all added into the Custodes gene-seed.
Why? I can't quite say. It occurred to me one night that those Chapters are the ones that would make the most sense. You've got the in-bred sense of duty and honor from the Luna/Dark Angels, the tenacity and stubbornness of the Death Guard, and the inherent wisdom of the Thousand Sons(with mutations offset by the fact that the gene-seed is stabilized by the blending process).
Faith is an armour harder than any metal, but more delicate than any flower.
LuciusT said:
"Worst and most violent xenophobic philosophies". That about sums it up all nicely.
Eels.
I think everyone has posted up everything I would have explained about Space Marines. I especially like the description of how Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Black Templars, and Dark Angels would react to the given situation. Bravo!! LOL! Couldn't have said it better myself! :) Oh, and "NO!", Space Marines are not mind wiped! If you really want a good look at the Space Marine culture, and how they live day to day. I highly recommend the "Horus Heresy" line of novels. They are a great read, and will give you a better understanding of Space Marines, not to mention an awesome description of the Warhammer40k Universe. Go get the first novel today!! You won't regret it!
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Black Templar: Before engaging the foul xenos I must complete the ritual of clensing, to prepare myself for the coming battle... (kneels in the mud and starts praying)*
Also, important to note, that had someone died in this confrontration, especially another Templar, the Black Templar would go completely psychotic, and instead of running away, would actually run towards the threat.
You just have to love Righeous Zeal.
* Quote tags seem to be broken for me today.
Also, the bolter rounds aren't 25mm, they're .75 calibre.
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Baziel said:
I think everyone has posted up everything I would have explained about Space Marines. I especially like the description of how Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Black Templars, and Dark Angels would react to the given situation. Bravo!! LOL! Couldn't have said it better myself! :) Oh, and "NO!", Space Marines are not mind wiped! If you really want a good look at the Space Marine culture, and how they live day to day. I highly recommend the "Horus Heresy" line of novels. They are a great read, and will give you a better understanding of Space Marines, not to mention an awesome description of the Warhammer40k Universe. Go get the first novel today!! You won't regret it!
Except that the recruiting practices, indoctrination and overall mindset of the space marines was a lot different during the crusade (under the secular Emperor) than it is today (under the theocratic Imperium that places great value in blind faith and obedience).
Hellebore
Humanity's Insignificance pales in comparison to its Ego. Sir Rumplestiltskin
The capacity to think does not assign importance to your thoughts, it merely indicates you can. Sir Rumplestiltskin
Hellebore said:
Except that the recruiting practices, indoctrination and overall mindset of the space marines was a lot different during the crusade (under the secular Emperor) than it is today (under the theocratic Imperium that places great value in blind faith and obedience).
Hellebore
Exactly. There is ten millennia gap between the time of the Great Crusade and the "current era" of the RPG settings. A lot of things have changed. The HH books are worth reading but you should keep this fact in mind.
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taugundrone said:
To answer your questions, A space marine is a 2.5 meter tall genetically engineered, brain wiped, kilmaimburn machine that carries a 25 mm bullet, semi-auto rocket-propelled grenade launcher pistol, as a standard sidearm. other include the assault rifle variant, the heavy machine-gun variant, and the variant that glues 6 of the assault rifles together. Many posters do not believe they can be roleplayed because they are BRAIN WIPED!!!!! How are they more roleplayable than soulless capitalists?
If they were BRAIN WIPE you would call then Thousand SONS!!!!!!!!!! Now that BRAIN WIPED! Not to mention nothing but ash but that's another story.
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SonofDorn said:
Also, the bolter rounds aren't 25mm, they're .75 calibre.
Sorry for the other errors, but the latest fluff massacre said .998 caliber.
Yooper said:
I am somewhat new to 40k, I just started with the release of DH. So my question is, what EXACTLY is a space marine? Why do half the posters here think they can't be roleplayed? To me this looks way more roleplayable(?) than RT.
Thank You.
Becuase while it's true that spacemarines have only 5min to themselves in a given day and only 4 hours sleep a night.
Most people ignore all the fluff and the books and the video games that show them as highly intellegent and educated men, many have lived for more than 50-100 years, some of the oldest in the books being about 4-500 years old. It is true they are quite violent but also they have many and intricate rituals, thier own religion seperate to the administratum, the abilioty to problem solve and be self sufficient.
Their is plenty of political intrigue in spacemarine culture, mostly caused by barbarism and violence. But also when one chapter wishes to be noble and others dont. for example, the salamanders saved and helped to rebuild a town on armageddon once the war was over, and almost attacked the marines who bombarded it cos of an orc presence.
Or the fact that the spacemarines often rule small parts of the imperium, such as Maneus Calgar being Sector Govenor of Maccrage.
Apart from that they are 7+foot tall, super genetically advanced, SAS teams in light tank armour and 50 caliber sniper rifles for pistols. (that fire explosive bullets), they have a penchant for still holding the flag with one hand after their legs are blown off and firing back all the while screaming prayer to the emporer and winning,
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